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Old 13-10-2009, 14:27   #1
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SSB Help

anyone have an installation diagram on how to install a SSB with a grounding plate/insulated back stay/auto tuner.............. any help would be great........................Gord?.....thanks Ed
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Look up ICOM website. they will have an instillation page.
Lots of questions here.

What brand and model of SSB, Tuner etc. Some are dedicated to each other and for backstay antennas. Do you have a dynaplate/equivalent or are you planning on grounding to a through hull?
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Icom 710 and icom 104 tuner....was thinking of a dynaplate , but heard rumors of them blowing up with a lightning strike.its that a possibility?...thru hulls are marlon.....Ed
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OK. ICOM website and your owners manual will have instillation guides. I have the 802 and the 104.

Anything through the hull can 'melt' through if hit by lightning - you cant lose sleep over this. I have a dynaplate. A brass 'through hull' will suffice if the connection is good and no or minimal water goes over it.
Good luck - Pick a time and a frequency one day and we'll see how far you can transmit!
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So a dynaplate it is....question? the dynaplate thru bolts to the hull with the ground run thru a hole in the hull behind the dynaplate and that's bedded with 5200?....sorry for all the questions.but we are hauling out Thursday and i want to be ready. and thanks so much for the info.........Ed
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I dunno about the 5200. Its forever permanent. I use sika or equivalent. The yard will recomend one. There are far better brains than me on this site. Thats what I've done anyway.
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So a dynaplate it is....question? the dynaplate thru bolts to the hull with the ground run thru a hole in the hull behind the dynaplate and that's bedded with 5200?....sorry for all the questions.but we are hauling out Thursday and i want to be ready. and thanks so much for the info.........Ed
I just read what you said. Just connect your ground wire to the dynaplate.
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David can you operate a 802 icom in Australia okay, Iv'e been lead to believe 801 is needed for Australian frequencies.
The 802 is a lot cheaper.
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Colloroy,
Great to hear from someone who has a real yacht.

We have a IC-M802 (tweaked) with a Pactor 2 (software upgraded to 3), but I havent yet gone down that road when we have broadband in range.

What is the name (& type) of your KP or FP 46 and where is Collaroy Beach? NSW ??
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Collaroy, the 802 is not type certified in Oz, the 801 is. Of course, the 802 will work OK as a radio, it is just not legal to use on an Australian vessel. It is quite legal if used on a foreign vessel in Aussie waters
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Collaroy, the 802 is not type certified in Oz, the 801 is. Of course, the 802 will work OK as a radio, it is just not legal to use on an Australian vessel. It is quite legal if used on a foreign vessel in Aussie waters
Not legal??? I guess I live and learn. Any way you could please elaborate on this?
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Not legal??? I guess I live and learn. Any way you could please elaborate on this?
To use most radio transceivers in Australia, they must be type certified i.a.w. the Radio Communications Act 1992. This act gives some exceptions but a marine SSB HF is not one of them (although radios fitted to aircraft are).

One reason the M802 doesn't comply is that it can output 150 watts and IIRC, the Act limits output power to 125 Watts. I am sure there are other reasons but I can't recall them at present.
This is why you won't find the 802 on the Icom Australia website and even the 710 is listed for export only. AFAIK, the 801E listed is a 802 reworked to comply with Aussie requirements but don't quote me .

This doesn't prevent Icom from actually selling you a 802 if you can convince them to nor does it stop you from importing your own 802 but the use of it remains illegal. Yes, I know the obvious question - How would anyone know? Sorry, but I don't the answer to that one.

However, it is OK to use an 802 in Aussie waters if it is fitted to a foreign vessel and it is approved by that foreign power.

Not forgetting that the operator also must be appropriately licenced.

Never expect bureucrats to be rational; There is an airband handheld transceiver available in Oz that is legal when used in the aircraft to talk to the ground but not legal when used on the ground to talk to the aircraft
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Thanks for information Wotname I guess thats bureaucracy.
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Hey don't forget this is internet advice and it is worth what you paid for it.
However, in this instance I reckon I am close to the mark .
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OK Wotname, then for the record, if there is one. I must be mistaken about the model. I obviously have a legal 801.
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