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Christian Van H · 04-12-2009, 04:48

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Originally Posted by Chipg

If your at the point where you have a cabnet full of mini dv's I'd archive them to dvd's in an uncompressed format and use the space for beer

I really have to do this soon...I'm soooo done with tape that I have a hard time bringing myself to touch them again!

Right now I'm thinking about shooting to SD card (with my Canons), converting the AVCHD to Neoscene AVI and then doing a basic once thru to weed out the crap. Actually, weeding out the crap can begin in the camera, where each scene can be viewed and deleted before the SD card is even removed for dumping...try that with DV tape!

Anyway, after conversion and quick edit, I'll probably burn on bluRay until I'm ready to final edit. All this equipment is WAY down in price now...my whole rig cost less then my first XL1s!

st599 · 04-12-2009, 05:46

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Originally Posted by Chipg

I really like the tapless workflow, the new varicams shoot to solid state P2 cards so no need to buy $30k editing decks and log tape. Most prosumer cams now record to an SD or CF memory card. This can be a pro and con for a boat, I do not have long term experience with hard drives in a salt water enviroment, they do and have failed in my dry moisture free land based studio, I always have back ups and my drives in a RAID config. Tape on a boat might be a good thing for archive purposes. SD cards are so cheap now (and small) they are also good to archive footage on. If anyone is archiving footage on hard drives for long term storage on a boat I'd also suggest archiving to a dvd or blu-ray disk in addition to the hard drive.

What about using ingex? Ingex - Tapeless video & audio capture, transcoding and network file serving

Christian Van H · 04-12-2009, 17:46

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Originally Posted by st599

What about using ingex?

That link hurt my brain! Not sure how well that will work with a cruising yacht...am I missing something?

BTW, " Kingston Flash Data Retention: Kingston Flash storage devices are rated for up to 10 years under normal use." Thus says Kingston. I really hadn't thought much about using cards as long term storage, but come to think of it, your right! 4 - 8 gig cards are gettin' much cheaper... you could back up to another card too...

Chipg · 04-12-2009, 18:05

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Originally Posted by st599

What about using ingex? Ingex - Tapeless video & audio capture, transcoding and network file serving

That's for archiving to LTO-3 tape, you know the big reel to reel computer storage tapes that run on a washing machine size recorder. What's confusing about that is they say it's tapeless but it's LTO-3 computer data tape not video tape they are talking about. Yea, I know, it makes me feel like flying and swiming through mud at the same time.

It's very expensive option for hobbiest cruisers with prosumer video cams.

It puts your workflow back to tape and in a very expensive way. It's something for the BBC or CBS, not cruisers.

DVD is probably the most cost effective 'safe' way then blu ray. I'd probably spend the extra money on blu ray because they hold 50 gig, dvd holds 8gig, so 6x more data but at $20 a disk instead of $2.

I think memories are the most important part of cruising and they should be saved in a safe way.

Chipg · 04-12-2009, 18:06

Has anyone ever found a dvd or cd in the ocean and cleaned it off to see if it will play?

st599 · 05-12-2009, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Chipg

That's for archiving to LTO-3 tape, you know the big reel to reel computer storage tapes that run on a washing machine size recorder. What's confusing about that is they say it's tapeless but it's LTO-3 computer data tape not video tape they are talking about. Yea, I know, it makes me feel like flying and swiming through mud at the same time.

It's very expensive option for hobbiest cruisers with prosumer video cams.

It puts your workflow back to tape and in a very expensive way. It's something for the BBC or CBS, not cruisers.

You don't need to archive to tape. It offers methods to quickly ingest from camera's to a native edit format, with metadata, stored on disc. Archiving is an option.

Chipg · 05-12-2009, 16:57

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Originally Posted by st599

You don't need to archive to tape. It offers methods to quickly ingest from camera's to a native edit format, with metadata, stored on disc. Archiving is an option.

I understand, I think we were disscussing 'safe' ways to archive footage in a salt water enviroment because disk drives fail, it's just a matter of time.

Stillraining · 05-12-2009, 18:06

So never writing to a DVD yet what ship board system is needed for that...just a laptop and appropriate software?

If so we are uploading from film to editing suite to DVD right?..or are you talking about transferring directly from tape/Camera to DVD...if so how is this done?

Chipg · 05-12-2009, 18:12

Any laptop with a dvd burner will work, the editing software you use should output the files (or tape you have digitized to the computer) to a format like avi or mov, then copy them to the dvd or blu ray burner. Don;t burn a dvd movie because that uses compression to make it fit on the dvd or blu ray, output to an uncompressed file like avi or mov, I think the free windows movie maker program will do it for those that don't want to buy expensive video editing software, Mac users have the free iMovie software, that also works. Just set the quality to highest.

It's pretty easy.