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Old 16-05-2013, 05:29   #46
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Re: Please turn your AIS off when docked/moored/anchored

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It almost never works to try to adjust the behavior of others. A far more effective approach is to figure out a way to deal with their behavior as it is.
Yes, and especially by posting on a web forum that's viewed by very few of the people whose behavior you are trying to adjust.

People usually do what they do for a reason. Often, we think it's a very poor reason, but if they think it's a good reason, they will continue to do it. Using recreational drugs is a good example. Tell them to stop and what happens? Do they stop?

Back to the AIS, there was a proposal by the Obama administration to require all boats (in the USA) to install AIS, supposedly for homeland security. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed and this was dropped. Imagine the confusion if every little bow rider, ski boat, CC, etc. was transmitting AIS information.
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Old 16-05-2013, 05:31   #47
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Back to the AIS, there was a proposal by the Obama administration to require all boats (in the USA) to install AIS, supposedly for homeland security.
That idea goes back well before the Obama administration

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Old 16-05-2013, 05:32   #48
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I love this about CF. Famed cruiser Evans Starzinger starts a thread about a legitimate topic he experienced while actually cruising and five posts later an average joe schools him on how to be a real seaman.

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I love this about CF. Famed cruiser Evans Starzinger starts a thread about a legitimate topic he experienced while actually cruising and five posts later an average joe schools him on how to be a real seaman
evans made a personal point, its a debatable question. As to 'average joes' who knows who is and who isnt. But they all have a point.

last time I looked he wasnt infallible!!!!
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Re: Please turn your AIS off when docked/moored/anchored

What your AIS displays or alarms is all under your control and your responsibility Captain.
You are the Captain of the vessel and in the end bear full responsibility for what your vessel does or does not do.

Now with AIS showing you what the other boats card hands are does not mean that you can tell them how to play their cards. The info is being provided to you, so you can play your cards better.

Sort your cards better and play the cards as given to you.
1) Turn off your AIS when in a harbor
2) Use your Radar
3) Shut off the alarms
4) Filter out the non-moving docked and anchored boats not in a channel.
5) Remove the AIS from your boat as it may be above your technical level or need
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I would have taught in a Security Incident ( and I dont mean an ship orientated one) Govs would want all the AIS 'ON', given that the current trend with AIS seems to be that it is being migrated to a tracxing /security system rather then its original ideals
Maybe so but any budding bad guy can buy a receiver and find a particular vessel, we have scenarios (drills) where the vessel is in port and is to be targeted buy unfriendly’s, one of the first things to do is turn off the AIS.....
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Re: Please turn your AIS off when docked/moored/anchored

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Sort your cards better and play the cards as given to you.
1) Turn off your AIS when in a harbor
2) Use your Radar
3) Shut off the alarms
4) Filter out the non-moving docked and anchored boats not in a channel.
5) Remove the AIS from your boat as it may be above your technical level or need
This cant be a serious post.


The IMO is the body behind AIS, currently it recommends AIS be left on ( yes yes mandatory carraige and all that). Given the fact that AIS is often a black box hidden away, in my view its better to have your AIS power linked to your primary nav system power so that it runs anytime you have nav gear on. If that is in harbour , so be it.


Use Radar in harbour !!.

and point (5) must surely be tongue in cheek, AIS is about the simplest system on board and in my opinion given its low costs, comes way way before radar in purchasing decisions, its up there with depth and vhf IMHO.

Good radar is expensive, requires skill and experience to operate and interpret.

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Maybe so but any budding bad guy can buy a receiver and find a particular vessel, we have scenarios (drills) where the vessel is in port and is to be targeted buy unfriendly’s, one of the first things to do is turn off the AIS.....

what you have a visible cloaking device as well. I mean he can 'see' you in harbour.!!!

you know the big grey thing over there!.

I fully understand the piracy issues etc.

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Re: Please turn your AIS off when docked/moored/anchored

If you have been placed on someone's ignore list, then it will be so.

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I can still post right? It's just that I will be ignored?
You will be OK; I'm the one who will be ignored or worse, just banned outright...

Oh sorry, thread drift...
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To an non-AIS receiver user this is hilarious...
You guys spend years shouting for something that tells you when stuff is around...
Now your shouting because it does...
Last delivery had radar alarm and AIS... one ship hammered out of Oristano, Sardinia towards us with neither operating... till I called and asked his intentions as he was not conforming to Marine Safety standards.... yup.. I'm a snarky bustard...
and the shipping lanes of Tunisia had the owner freaking out with all the ship alarms charging back and forth as we tacked through the lanes..
You can please sum alla de time... and all summa de time...
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Re: Please turn your AIS off when docked/moored/anchored

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what you have a visible cloaking device as well. I mean he can 'see' you in harbour.!!!

you know the big grey thing over there!.

I fully understand the piracy issues etc.

Dave
Always with the sarcasm eh, obviously the only harbours you go in have only the one vessel and only in daylight....while every scenario cannot possibly be covered the obvious ones (Crowded/undercover of darkness) are....

This is clearly well out of your realm of expertise so may i suggest you leave it alone and move on.....
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This is clearly well out of your realm of expertise so i would suggest you leave it alone.....
well outside....

But I do have many friends as captains, and I ve been involved in military systems ( some on ships) and Ive spent a reasonable time on the bridges of several ships , ranging from fast cats to tramp boats.

I wouldnt say AIS is seen as a issue thats high up on the SOP list. ( one way or the other)


You are focusing on ship-based alerts and the procedures around AIS, Ive seen some commercial SOPs and they differ in emphasis

I was really focussing on the trend in AIS to use it as a generic tracking device and in that regards the focus I see for lawmakers is to ensure it isnt OFF. This is being considered or may be even law in some jurisdiction ( HK or Singapore I believe).

So the trend, it seems is to require more compulsory fit and to ensure that it remains 'ON'.

I was being tongue in cheek as bothing Ive seen in commercial SOPs gives much focus on AIS as a 'protection' or attraction to attacks, outside of specific piracy areas

Piracy is different as they want the vessel, Terrorism is different in they want a visible public spectacular. AIS is an issue in the former and far less in the latter.

Whether AIS is on in harbour or OFF in your harbour in no way offers you any protection or in reality exposes you to a higher risk. Such risk is far better organised then merely relying on AIS.

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