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Old 21-07-2016, 15:17   #16
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Great, Healthy Debate,

have a disclaimer button that I have to accept, with a lock code to keep the kids out if you like...... BUT GIVE ME CONTROL OF MY OWN DESTINY!
How do you know that I'm not the kind of nefarious geeky hacker guy who loves to hack in to onboard wireless networks to wreak havoc? It might be great fun to watch as you have the boat on AP to raise the sails and suddenly tack to port.

The issue is the vulnerability of the wireless network, especially close to shore.

And off shore? What will stop a geeky pirate from taking control of your AP to guide you into their jaws?

It's the wireless network that's the issue.
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Old 21-07-2016, 15:43   #17
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No one hacks my Wifi at home??


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Old 21-07-2016, 16:14   #18
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Old 21-07-2016, 16:19   #19
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House hasn't tacked lately


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Old 21-07-2016, 16:28   #20
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I don't think it a hacking issue, but one of liability.
You know why you can't use a cell phone on a commercial airliner don't you? Nobody seriously thinks it will interfere with the navigation system etc., it's nobody is going to sign up for taking responsibility of putting their name on the line and accept the liability, and why should they, what would they gain, what they could lose is enormous, but with no gain, why?
Why would Simrad, B&G whoever the parent company is accept liability to allow a product that they have no control over the hardware or software, control their hardware and possibly cause damage or loss of life, property etc?


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Old 21-07-2016, 16:54   #21
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If they make iPad access possible, who would buy their wireless remote?
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Old 21-07-2016, 16:55   #22
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If I use their A/P then go to sleep and sink a super yacht are they liable??? If the battery goes flat in THEIR remote are they liable?..... I don't even sign a disclaimer for these eventualities.... Surely a disclaimer Button on the APP would cover this point?


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If they make iPad access possible, who would buy their wireless remote?
If that was their main concern, then why would they make the app even possible????

The app does them out of the opportunity to sell you a second MFD! Why would they care about the wireless remote???




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If I use their A/P then go to sleep and sink a super yacht are they liable??? If the battery goes flat in THEIR remote are they liable?..... I don't even sign a disclaimer for these eventualities.... Surely a disclaimer Button on the APP would cover this point?


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Battery on remote.... Captains laziness


5 year old son hunting Pokemon in his cabin, so he can get the Pokemon on the little island, connects to the MFD and changes the course just like he's seen daddy do....... Law suit


Sure they could add layers of security, but then things get more complex for the non technically inclined people, the same people who dont understand how easily wifi can be hacked.

I'll bet that there are plenty of boats out there which has wifi for either internet or connection to the MFD with a wifi pass key that is either the boat name, home port or boat brand


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Sleep.... Captains stupidity.... My Point Exactly

Battery on remote.... Captains laziness.... or Battery Failure despite testing OK


5 year old son hunting Pokemon in his cabin, so he can get the Pokemon on the little island, connects to the MFD and changes the course just like he's seen daddy do....... Law suit

5 year old son uses remote control...... just like he's seen daddy do
5 year old son uses MFD...... just like he's seen daddy do

a four digit PIN on the APP would make it safer than the remote or the MFD


Sure they could add layers of security, but then things get more complex for the non technically inclined people, the same people who don't understand how easily wifi can be hacked.

A four digit PIN too complex?...... these people wouldn't even be here...


I'll bet that there are plenty of boats out there which has wifi for either internet or connection to the MFD with a wifi pass key that is either the boat name, home port or boat brand

if this what you mean by WI-FI hacking..... I give up


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All it needs is a 4 digit PIN to access the APP
The reality of the B&F WiFi security is pretty resonable -- no device/app is allowed to connect unless it is approved from the Primary Plotter screen, and any device can be banned at any time.
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How do you know that I'm not the kind of nefarious geeky hacker guy who loves to hack in to onboard wireless networks to wreak havoc? It might be great fun to watch as you have the boat on AP to raise the sails and suddenly tack to port.

The issue is the vulnerability of the wireless network, especially close to shore.

And off shore? What will stop a geeky pirate from taking control of your AP to guide you into their jaws?

It's the wireless network that's the issue.
In my experience the range of the units wi-fi is about 40-50 feet.... i think you might have an idea if someone was hacked into it and controlling your boat......
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