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Old 21-02-2013, 04:47   #61
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I think you guys should do and poll, Apple iPad or Google Android

I would put my mony on the iPad

But, Hey Cheap is good, Right
Cant read or just trolling?

Try reading the first couple of paragraphs of post 56 and please try to pay attention.
IPad vs tablet vs laptop vs chartplotter

It has nothing to do with cost, it is functionality.
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Old 21-02-2013, 04:53   #62
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Just bought the new iPad 128G with a Retina display and the Tank case to secure to the helm. I will let you know when it gets here to Grenada, end of February, what the resolution looks like in the day and night using nav charts.
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Old 21-02-2013, 05:23   #63
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If wanting to use a pc/laptop you can buy waterproof daylight viewable touchscreens on ebay second hand fairly cheap, gives you a nice exterior plotter fairly cheaply.
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Just bought the new iPad 128G with a Retina display and the Tank case to secure to the helm. I will let you know when it gets here to Grenada, end of February, what the resolution looks like in the day and night using nav charts.
iPad Retina display is great, but I do not think it improves direct sunlight viewing.
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Old 21-02-2013, 05:58   #65
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iPad Retina display is great, but I do not think it improve direct sunlight viewing.
I think it's better than the Garmin, considering the iPad is angled up resulting in more reflections. Did you turn up the display brightness? I think you posted this picture with equal performance before and there was something about ziplock bags being pulled over the iPad resulting in the reduced clarity? That was where I said that glass outperforms a plastic bag on optical properties anytime
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I think it's better than the Garmin, considering the iPad is angled up resulting in more reflections. Did you turn up the display brightness? I think you posted this picture with equal performance before and there was something about ziplock bags being pulled over the iPad resulting in the reduced clarity? That was where I said that glass outperforms a plastic bag on optical properties anytime
My iPad brightness is at 50%. I should crank it up to 100% and take another picture.

I do use a zip lock bag which works well when I sense that things may get wet
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As a convert to Apple in my development environment, about 12 months ago, having been a Windoze fan for 20 years, I now have a 27" IPS iMac, macbook pro,iphone 5 , Apple TV, Ipad and Ipad mini

Firstly , across the board the build quality is better, secondly the display quality is simply far better then cheaper , crappo windoze stuff.

Take my 27" iMac, absolutly stunning, I sit in front of it for 8+ hours a day, no eye strain, a comparable full true IPS monitor of similar size is 900+ dollars alone.

Then its built in effect around Unix, and folks with Linux and its derivatives simply taking over the server world, you can see why I think Ive rebooted my iMac once in about every 6 months, whereas before Id reboot windows every 6 hours. when I come into office I hit the return key on the iMac and I get a virtually instant login screen, try that on Windoze.

Sure I have a full Windows 7 system running as well, on my iMac!, using VM Fusion. Its the only way to run windows, as crashes only take out the session not the machine. ( and windows crashs quite often) My Windows on my Mac is way better then native windows on a Windoze machine

See the light folks see the light, try it youll never go back.

Ask developers what platform theyd like if given a free option. I can tell you the answer.


PS: Apple didint invent assisted GPS. Its been around for a while, I think Trimble diid actually.

Arguments about SD cards, HDMI ( which apple iPads have , via display port) are missing the point, today you can get upto 128Gb on board, soon you will have terrabyte internals. I store virtually everthing in the cloud, what in the name of God do I want bits of memory chips to carry things around on. I cant remember the last time I needed an external card.

In a few years all these things will have gone the way of the dodo. ( Believe me Im an expert !!!)

only the later Apple models have GLONASS support and this is useful only if sailing in very northerly latitudes as the Russians have the orbits concentrated over there own landmass. The do have an aggressive launch schedule to add more birds. I was talking to them at their big stand at Cebit 12. They have very impressive plans for the system.including paid for, very high resolution solutions

Having said all that , Id never rely on a laptop/PC/iPad solution as my primary nav solution, I would always have an integrated system from one of the big 4. Slave in your Ipad , pc etc ( all of them are rapidly adding iPad support) as you need. I certainly wouldnt dream of using a 399$ one , these are toys.

Ps: If you are a App developer , you realise why Apple has better apps then Android, Apple developers make 4x times the money from Apple store then Android, even though there are many more droids then apple devices. Apple strict quality process compares to virtually no oversight in Droid land, with the resulting rubbish that appears there from time to time.

PS Nick, studies show that people over 50 cant benefit from "retina " display resolutions anyway!

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Just to add a little to Dave's post, with which I fully agree:

Apple is the safe keeper of BSD Unix (Berkeley Software Distribution, University of California in Berkeley). Their Darwin kernel is the real deal. The windowing layer on top is the best in the world, while you also get the standard X11 interface as found on Linux (community effort sponsored by Apple with the Quartz project).

GLONASS suport is handy when GPS would develop a problem or gets switched off by somebody.

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I think it is better to go with the chart plotter

1-it's waterproof the iPad will not last long in salt water
2-on the water with no good wifi signal
you would be at your destination before it charts your way.

GPS store runs great sales for chart plotters
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I think it is better to go with the chart plotter

1-it's waterproof the iPad will not last long in salt water
2-on the water with no good wifi signal
you would be at your destination before it charts your way.

GPS store runs great sales for chart plotters
Welcome to CF POOPDeck,

1) you're not supposed to use any chart plotters in salt water. You're supposed to use them before it comes to that in order to prevent it coming to that

2) iPads are magic... their wifi is so good that they will even display any chart you installed mid-ocean. It even works when you switch the wifi off!

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2-on the water with no good wifi signal
you would be at your destination before it charts your way.
You may want to brush up on your info.
iPad has GPS built in and has nothing to do with your wifi signal.
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Arguments about SD cards, HDMI ( which apple iPads have , via display port)
Evidence of this and how much for the "extras"

add: I see how it is done now, buy another cable to go with the HDMI cable.
Getting bulky now when a simple HDMI port during build would have sorted it.
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today you can get upto 128Gb on board
At a large price increase.
1TB hardrive is less than$100
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soon you will have terrabyte internals.
Got a date for that?

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I store virtually everthing in the cloud,
so you upload it
and download it again every time you want something?
And if you have no mobile connection?
or live in a land where data is $10+/gb
http://www.telstra.com.au/internet/m...prepaid/rates/

Sounds like a poor option to me compared to having a drive the size of a deck of cards with 1000gb (or $10,000 if downloaded)
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You may want to brush up on your info.
iPad has GPS built in and has nothing to do with your wifi signal.
You may want to brush up on your info.
Upgraded wifi + 3G Ipad has GPS
Standard does not
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I have an iPad, transformer prime, and a nexus 4 which I bought to replace my iPhone... Android wins for flexibility, flash support, expandability, configurability and I don't get that restrained feeling that the device is doing what IT wants... It does what I want.

Navionics on the androids, plus OziExplorer (runs BSB charts). Wish I could run cm93 on android!

iSailor on the iPad is the best nav app I found - much better than navionics and the charts are great (and cheaper) and it imports and exports. Wish they had it for android... Coming soon I hear.

All this complements my lowrence plotter and laptop running open with cm93 and other charts (not many bsb for Australia so mainly cm93).

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Hmmmm. So where are we here? I started this discussion and am not sure.

I think the idea of a laptop with GPS and openCPN below deck with a tablet linked to it at the helm. But how do they link? Blue tooth? Wifi would require a router that draws more power.

I think I'm lost again.
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