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Old 04-03-2016, 20:49   #151
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Guys, your being rediculousy personal with all of this 'crossing the line' crap and it is getting unfairly low with accusations of personal gain. How about just accepting you have different opinions without the personal stuff coming into it.
I hear you.

If my goal was for personal gain, clearly I wouldn't spend the hours I have on this thread.

This is why I get involved so deeply.

John Q. P is sitting on his 30 something foot 30 something year old project boat watching this thread. He is relatively new to sailing, and has little money in his jeans. He has a compass and paper charts. He thinks he should have electronic navigation.

He reads this thread, and thinks, "Hey, if that's all they have on 50+ foot luxury yachts, that's all I need, I have a cell phone, I'll get an app and charts.

Off he sails with his girlfriend who has only sailed twice before, about one third as much as the boyfriend. About 3 pm, a squall comes through, the waves get bigger than he's ever been in before, his cell phone battery dies and his paper charts blow out of the cockpit. Scared out of their wits, they manage to make it back to safe harbour, the boat gets sold, and neither sets foot on a boat again.

When I evaluate solutions, I play them against many possible scenarios, to determine, is this solution likely to be safe in the average and extreme conditions I am likely to encounter. I can't imagine a mounted chartplotter dying or blowing out of the cockpit. I have seen the other happen. Therefore, right or wrong, I certainly don't consider it as safe.
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:49   #152
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RambinRod,

Please get with the times. Step away from your computer and get some real world cruising experience before dishing out your advice to others.

Traditional helm based Chartplotters like that monstrosity you have blocking the helm view on your boat will soon become a relic from the past... just like the ten pound early 1980's cell phones. You might want to start getting used to it.

This thread is about iPad mounts and cases... Not obsolete chartplotters and oversized helm pods.

You may not like it because it doesn't fit your view, but watch the video again... A very wet ride, two people successfully navigating using only iPads, and.... The iPad isn't flying out of the hands of my wife and into the sea.
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He reads this thread, and thinks, "Hey, if that's all they have on 50+ foot luxury yachts, that's all I need, I have a cell phone, I'll get an app and charts.
It doesn't matter whether you like it or not.... that's all he needs.

A secondary mobile device or a paper chart and compass for backup redundancy.... and he's good to go.

In doing so, your hypothetical sailor doesn't put any money into YOUR pocket, but.... that's just how it is.
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This is why I get involved so deeply.

Off he sails with his girlfriend who has only sailed twice before, about one third as much as the boyfriend. About 3 pm, a squall comes through, the waves get bigger than he's ever been in before, his cell phone battery dies and his paper charts blow out of the cockpit. Scared out of their wits, they manage to make it back to safe harbour, the boat gets sold, and neither sets foot on a boat again.

When I evaluate solutions, I play them against many possible scenarios, to determine, is this solution likely to be safe in the average and extreme conditions I am likely to encounter. I can't imagine a mounted chartplotter dying or blowing out of the cockpit. I have seen the other happen. Therefore, right or wrong, I certainly don't consider it as safe.
Seriously.... "His paper charts blow out of the cockpit.".

Now I'm beginning to wonder if you have any sailing experience beyond day sailing around your harbor staring at your Chartplotter. Back in 1980, even us twenty year olds making passages on our O'Day 20 knew enough to read our charts and plot our course down below and out of the elements.

Yes, some of us sailed long before the Chartplotter even existed, and..... Somehow we even managed to return home.
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Look at the navpods with chartplotters blocking their view! and the ipads
http://youtu.be/irmfc3uDGTs
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J Class yachts use iPads for navigation. I wonder which waterproof case they're using?
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I hear you.

If my goal was for personal gain, clearly I wouldn't spend the hours I have on this thread.

This is why I get involved so deeply.

John Q. P is sitting on his 30 something foot 30 something year old project boat watching this thread. He is relatively new to sailing, and has little money in his jeans. He has a compass and paper charts. He thinks he should have electronic navigation.

He reads this thread, and thinks, "Hey, if that's all they have on 50+ foot luxury yachts, that's all I need, I have a cell phone, I'll get an app and charts.

Off he sails with his girlfriend who has only sailed twice before, about one third as much as the boyfriend. About 3 pm, a squall comes through, the waves get bigger than he's ever been in before, his cell phone battery dies and his paper charts blow out of the cockpit. Scared out of their wits, they manage to make it back to safe harbour, the boat gets sold, and neither sets foot on a boat again.

When I evaluate solutions, I play them against many possible scenarios, to determine, is this solution likely to be safe in the average and extreme conditions I am likely to encounter. I can't imagine a mounted chartplotter dying or blowing out of the cockpit. I have seen the other happen. Therefore, right or wrong, I certainly don't consider it as safe.
If some theoretical no expieriance couple spent the equivilant of a small home on a sailing vessel and based their navigational decisions on random anonymous advice from two people throwing their poo at each other via a sailing forum spat, then said anonymous couple are probably doomed anyway....

"It were a dark and stormy nigh when Billy's Ipad suddenly died!! A rouge wave 20 meters high washed away his silly paper charts... Sally sue wept as they headed for Deadman reef..."If only we had bought a PLOTTER!!!!!!"

Fade to black......

menacing music.....

Run garmin ad......



Really People???

Plotter= navigational aid
Ipad= navigational aid
Paper charts=navigational aid

They are all just tools

The USCG as of Feb 5 2016 "yes this year" just Ok'd the sole use of electronic charts proved it is a update subscription service.
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Seriously.... "His paper charts blow out of the cockpit.".

Now I'm beginning to wonder if you have any sailing experience beyond day sailing around your harbor staring at your Chartplotter. Back in 1980, even us twenty year olds making passages on our O'Day 20 knew enough to read our charts and plot our course down below and out of the elements.

Yes, some of us sailed long before the Chartplotter even existed, and..... Somehow we even managed to return home.
You're so funny.

Chart plotter = robust

IPad = fragile

That simple.
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You're so funny.

Chart plotter = robust

IPad = fragile

That simple.
I guess you neglected to watch this video of the J Class yachts using iPads? Maybe the owners couldn't afford a "proper Chartplotter?" Something a little more "robust?"
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My chartplotter runs on MS Windows... now that is a depressing thought and not anywhere near robust imho
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I guess you neglected to watch this video of the J Class yachts using iPads? Maybe the owners couldn't afford a "proper Chartplotter?" Something a little more "robust?"
Irrelevant.

These guys don't care if they trash 5 iPads per race.

If the boat blows apart, 10 metres over the finish line and they can get if fixed by throwing obscene amounts of cash at it, and be ready for the start of the next race, that's fine.

iPad = fragile
chartplotter = robust

That simple.
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Irrelevant.

These guys don't care if they trash 5 iPads per race.

iPad = fragile
chartplotter = robust

That simple.
Thus saith the Chartplotter salesman.
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Thus saith the Chartplotter salesman.
If I don't sell one more chartplotter in all my days, that's fine, if I can inspire sailors to choose more safe and reliable solutions.

This is the kind of guy I am.
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I guess you neglected to watch this video of the J Class yachts using iPads? Maybe the owners couldn't afford a "proper Chartplotter?" Something a little more "robust?"
I suspect these guys also had an installed chartplotter too.
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I guess you neglected to watch this video of the J Class yachts using iPads? Maybe the owners couldn't afford a "proper Chartplotter?" Something a little more "robust?"
Nope, but I guess you neglected to look at the pictures on the J Class website, that show these very boats you have selected to support your iPad argument, absolutely loaded with permanently mounted electronic instruments.
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