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Old 01-10-2013, 05:44   #1
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ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

I'm getting ready to buy an HF radio. I want to be able to use e-mail (so I know I need a Pactor).

I live in the EU, but have the opportunity to buy from the US. What is the difference between an ICOM801 and an ICOM802? The European models cost about 3-4 times the amount the american models do. I am under the impression that there is no difference between the two models (except european tax and duty).

I have both a Long Range Certificate and will get my Ham Operators License this winter, so I need the radio to be able to use all bands/frequencies.
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I'm getting ready to buy an HF radio. I want to be able to use e-mail (so I know I need a Pactor).

I live in the EU, but have the opportunity to buy from the US. What is the difference between an ICOM801 and an ICOM802? The European models cost about 3-4 times the amount the american models do. I am under the impression that there is no difference between the two models (except european tax and duty).

I have both a Long Range Certificate and will get my Ham Operators License this winter, so I need the radio to be able to use all bands/frequencies.
The European version has different specs to meet ETSIs requirement and also to meet GMDSS specs for class D

However the us one is fine , go for it

Just tell them you have the European model on your ships license

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Re: ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

They are quite different, and if you Google it you will uncover various articles on it.

The 801E has lower power, is fully encapsulated and I believe is fanless, is higher spec in several ways.

It is also CE marked which makes it legal on an EU flagged boat.

The 802 is not legal on EU flagged boats, but is widely used and I have never heard of any enforcement.

It is more lightly built but from everything I've heard still very good.

I don't know about Danish licenses, but the Ofcom ship's station license in the UK does not require stating what model the radio is, so no problem with that.
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They are quite different, and if you Google it you will uncover various articles on it.

The 801E has lower power, is fully encapsulated and I believe is fanless, is higher spec in several ways.

It is also CE marked which makes it legal on an EU flagged boat.

The 802 is not legal on EU flagged boats, but is widely used and I have never heard of any enforcement.

It is more lightly built but from everything I've heard still very good.

I don't know about Danish licenses, but the Ofcom ship's station license in the UK does not require stating what model the radio is, so no problem with that.
By the way I don't believe icom has ANy HF radio that complies with current EU requirements. The 801E was supposed to be a ETSI class E HF. But it does not actually meet that spec. I don't think icom are selling anymore in europe and once sticks are gone that's it.

So its all moot anyway. , neither radio is fully approved. Get the cheaper one

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By the way I don't believe icom has ANy HF radio that complies with current EU requirements. The 801E was supposed to be a ETSI class E HF. But it does not actually meet that spec. I don't think icom are selling anymore in europe and once sticks are gone that's it.

So its all moot anyway. , neither radio is fully approved. Get the cheaper one

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Indeed.

From everything I've read, the 802 is a really good radio. I am itching to get mine hooked up to try it. It's been languishing not connected since January waiting for me to get around to it
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Re: ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

carstenb,
Yes, get the Icom M-802...

In addition to the fine advice/input from goboatingnow and Dockhead, I'd like to point you to a few threads that you will find useful/interesting...

Icom M-802 specific:
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 DSC-Distress Signaling, what really happens!
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 use on the Ham Radio Bands
SSCA Forum • View topic - IC-M802 Compression
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 "Clipping Issue" - Revisited....


Maritime HF Radio / Weather / Radios / Freq's / Etc.:
SSCA Forum • View topic - Offshore / Hi-Seas Weather data / forecasts
SSCA Forum • View topic - Tips for using an HF-SSB Radio (mostly for newcomers)
SSCA Forum • View topic - HF Radio Freqs, summertime Atlantic crossing, offshore Net..
SSCA Forum • View topic - ICOM 802 - Purchasing a New SSB Radio
SSCA Forum • View topic - USCG to Discontinue ONLY 2mhz Distress Watchkeeping 8-1-2013
SSCA Forum • View topic - EPIRB Activation? What happens/How to improve rescue odds


Okay, maybe more than "a few" threads, but certainly read the first few...



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Re: ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

If you get the 802, just be aware of the Mickey Mouse plug that is used for the connection to the ATU. If you are careful, you can pull the female part out of the main box and put a decent connector on. Otherwise, use a flylead.
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Re: ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

thank you! a little bedtime reading.......





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carstenb,
Yes, get the Icom M-802...

In addition to the fine advice/input from goboatingnow and Dockhead, I'd like to point you to a few threads that you will find useful/interesting...

Icom M-802 specific:
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 DSC-Distress Signaling, what really happens!
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 use on the Ham Radio Bands
SSCA Forum • View topic - IC-M802 Compression
SSCA Forum • View topic - Icom M-802 "Clipping Issue" - Revisited....


Maritime HF Radio / Weather / Radios / Freq's / Etc.:
SSCA Forum • View topic - Offshore / Hi-Seas Weather data / forecasts
SSCA Forum • View topic - Tips for using an HF-SSB Radio (mostly for newcomers)
SSCA Forum • View topic - HF Radio Freqs, summertime Atlantic crossing, offshore Net..
SSCA Forum • View topic - ICOM 802 - Purchasing a New SSB Radio
SSCA Forum • View topic - USCG to Discontinue ONLY 2mhz Distress Watchkeeping 8-1-2013
SSCA Forum • View topic - EPIRB Activation? What happens/How to improve rescue odds


Okay, maybe more than "a few" threads, but certainly read the first few...



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thank you! a little bedtime reading.......
When you source the radio and get it hooked up, we can try some contacts if you like -- assuming mine is hooked up by then!

Are you planning to get an amateur radio license so that you can use the ham bands, too?
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Re: ICOM801 VERSUS ICOM802

Hello carstenb,

We just got an IC-M801E installed in August. As you have already been answered the EU and US models are not the same. I think the remote is the same, but the main unit is different. We think that the closed and fanless casing is good on a boat.

Opening the 801 for ham bands is also very easy.

And then the main reason why I replyed. You don't necessary need Pactor. We have now been using winlink with a sound card. With Pactor you get a faster connection, but we didn't think it was worth the money it costs.

You can read our pactorless installation from our blog in S/Y Iiris

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I'm getting ready to buy an HF radio. I want to be able to use e-mail (so I know I need a Pactor).

I live in the EU, but have the opportunity to buy from the US. What is the difference between an ICOM801 and an ICOM802? The European models cost about 3-4 times the amount the american models do. I am under the impression that there is no difference between the two models (except european tax and duty).

I have both a Long Range Certificate and will get my Ham Operators License this winter, so I need the radio to be able to use all bands/frequencies.
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I'm getting ready to buy an HF radio. I want to be able to use e-mail (so I know I need a Pactor).

I live in the EU, but have the opportunity to buy from the US. What is the difference between an ICOM801 and an ICOM802? The European models cost about 3-4 times the amount the american models do. I am under the impression that there is no difference between the two models (except european tax and duty).

I have both a Long Range Certificate and will get my Ham Operators License this winter, so I need the radio to be able to use all bands/frequencies.

the 801E is about £500 pounds dearer then the UK priced 802. £2950 v £2250

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the 801E is about £500 pounds dearer then the UK priced 802. £2950 v £2250

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2250? Yikes! The M802 is $1800, or just about half of 2250 pounds, in the States.
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A side issue, but we had a Pactor and 802 which we used a lot with Sailmail when in the States and Carribean, when we reached European waters we found that the shore stations were few and far between for Sailmail and so never used it, just in case that is relevant to you!
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2250? Yikes! The M802 is $1800, or just about half of 2250 pounds, in the States.
Dockhead,
That's not including the AT140 tuner is it?
That's another $480 [GPS Store]
Still, UK price is worth a "Yikes" unless it includes tuner and a gold watch.
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The 801 here in Denmark costs just about USD 6000, a bit dear (ok, includes tuner at that price)
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