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Old 24-07-2019, 17:22   #1
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I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

Hi all. My recently purchased sailboat has mostly 2006 Raymarine equipment (see picture), .. I was out on the water testing the radar today but I didn't care for it at all. Couldn't tell traffic from stationary targets and just not very user friendly. Maybe its just me, but I am guessing that today's electronics offer much improvement in this area. I am on the fence so far regarding staying with Raymarine, or go with other vendors for new radar and I suppose MFD. The wind, depth, and auto pilot segments seem to work ok, so can I keep them as is or do I have to chuck them too?
I read reports about how great Garmin is, and then I'll find some unhappy owners who wish they went with Raymarine or Furuno, or other..


I am a doit youselfer, and would like to handle the installs myself if that is feasible.


Any comments or suggestions or experiences would be welcome.
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Old 24-07-2019, 17:34   #2
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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

Yup itís time to upgrade. Start by taking all the outdated useless RM stuff out and ship it to me for disposal, donít forget the radome, Iíll gladly cover the shipping charges. Radar has made leaps and bounds in the last 13 years and if you donít navigate in pitch black with VR goggles, youíre not living.
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Old 24-07-2019, 18:35   #3
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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

Forget what RBK said. I live a couple of ferry rides away. I'll come pick it up.

All kidding aside your radar is good, it is the operator that needs experience. You need hours in front of the radar adjusting the settings until you understand what is happening. For instance you need to reduce the range to see what is happening around you. Mine is often set on 3 miles or less. As for the other sailing instruments the basics have not changed since they went to digital displays and your instruments are several generations beyond that.

The instrument makers want you to replace everything every five years but there is no reason to do so. There are a few advantages like NMEA 2000 networking so that you can see everything from multiple locations but that is about it.

Save yourself the money and trouble of replacing equipment that works.
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Old 24-07-2019, 18:41   #4
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Old 24-07-2019, 20:40   #5
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Thanks stormalong, thats good advice. Guess I'll try to work a little harder at making that radar mean something to me. I guess I got caught up in the appeal of the new bells and whistles...
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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

New radars has hundreds of new features, 99% of which you will never use.
My radar certification course was 11 weeks. They are difficult to master but if you can find a 70's vintage Furuno manual it will shorten your learning curve dramatically, they were extremely well written with excellent explanations of the basics such as tune, FTC, STC and gain which are the basic functions one must master.

I now have one of the newest radars that will do all the basic functions automatically and poorly. I prefer to turn off the automatics and do it manually.
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Old 24-07-2019, 21:25   #7
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But Iíll pay the shipping and,.... As long as itís got an LCD screen I wouldnít worry about it. AIS is cheap Iíd spend $500 on a transponder for that before I would upgrade the radar.
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Old 25-07-2019, 00:50   #8
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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

your gps antenna will likly fail in the near future if it's still a ray120 or 125. if you plan to keep the outdated screen, I would at a min replace the gps ant. with something like a ray130 with a stng to seatalk converter. (not cheap...)

or replace the screen + radar. the ST 60 gauges if still working are likly fine.
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Old 25-07-2019, 02:54   #9
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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

Seapop,

We are in a similar position with RM C80 and ST60 instruments.

Our current thoughts are to replace the C80 with the latest RM Elements 7S chart plotter (CP). It uses buttons not touch screen, so wet fingers aren't a problem. We don't have radar and this CP can accept the latest wifi super dooper systems. I could fit radar to the C80 but it's using yesterdays technology. Selling the the C80 ought to offset 50% of the Element 7S cost which is useful.

Also we have a small SeatalkNG network for the wheel pilot so could connect in the CP into this easily.

We intend to keep the ST60s and in stand alone mode. They work and are reasonably robust.

As you can see from a number off offers to take the old instruments off your hands, they still command good money on the second hand market.

Perhaps time to take a trip to a boat show or your nearest RM dealer keep your wallet firmly closed until you are sure of the right course of action.
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Old 25-07-2019, 13:02   #10
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We had the same set up from 2007 and replaced all with a new Raymarine Axiom Pro system. Only kept the AIS which was quite new. The new system is fantastic with full remote and touch screen functionality, super intuitive, clear and fully integrated. The repeaters are amazing color mini screens that can show pretty much any data you want them to. But the update was expensive, so depends on your priorities.
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Old 25-07-2019, 22:02   #11
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Newer radars use much less power, end of story. I donít have radar because I threw the old stuff in the trash. When I do buy a system it wonít be because of bells and whistles, it will be because I can use it for an extended period without running the engine. In fact basic is good enough for me. Brand doesnít matter but I want buttons and knobs to control the unit not touch screen. Leaning toward B&G, sometime when I have extra money.

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Old 25-07-2019, 22:26   #12
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Nothing needs replacing there until you are sure you need a new radar. I bet you don’t.
I bought a Vesper XB8000 to provide AIS, bring all the existing data to wifi, and do my chart plotting via iPad. Add to your system, as you already have excellent gear.
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Nothing needs replacing there until you are sure you need a new radar. I bet you donít.
I bought a Vesper XB8000 to provide AIS, bring all the existing data to wifi, and do my chart plotting via iPad. Add to your system, as you already have excellent gear.
We have Simrad instruments, and I purchased an AIS from Sitex. It interfaces perfectly and displays targets on the MFD. In conjunction with radar it gives me all commercial traffic.

You didn't mention AIS, so like Tillsbury, I would recommend you add it as an upgrade to your system.

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Re: I think I need upgrade, but not sure..

While doing a 15 ton ticket a couple years ago we spent hours on the application of radar and learned how to actually use the instrument properly. I'm thinking the tool is fine and will do wonderfully once you've spent some time with it.
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Do you have a sextant on board and know how to use it?
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