Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-12-2006, 23:23   #16
Registered User
 
cat man do's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia [until the boats launched]
Boat: 50ft powercat, light,long and low powered
Posts: 4,409
Images: 36
No choices at all Bill, used Satphone and found it unreliable and hideously expensive , VHF has no range, so HF marine it'll be, unless we get another option within 12 mths.

She's a powercat so insulated backstay is out as well.

Dave
__________________

__________________
"Money can't buy you happiness but it can buy you a yacht large enough to pull up right alongside it"...............David Lee Roth
Long Distance Motorboat Cruising Ė It Is Possible on a Small Budget
cat man do is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006, 23:24   #17
Moderator
 
Paul Elliott's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,858
Images: 4
Dave,

Sorry for the confusion -- Bill's clarification is perfect.

I usually use "SSB" as shorthand for "HF Marine Band SSB". Many marine HF radios will also transmit and receive on Ham bands (but you need a ham license, except in an emergency) The HF ham bands use SSB for voice communications as well.

HF/SSB typically isn't used by daysailors, but is often used by cruisers and people on long passages. Sailmail works great, as does the ham-radio equivalent "Winlink", and this is how most cruisers send and receive their email. If you want more details, feel free to ask, and there is good info on the www.winlink.org and www.sailmail.com sites. To be complete, there are other HF email services in addition to Sailmail and Winlink.

Satellite phone email is starting to compete with HF Sailmail, and each have their pros and cons. To use a satphone for email there will (usually?) be an ISP service with some optimized satphone gateway software.
__________________

__________________
Paul Elliott, S/V VALIS - Pacific Seacraft 44 #16 - Friday Harbor, WA
www.sailvalis.com
Paul Elliott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2006, 23:44   #18
Moderator
 
Paul Elliott's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,858
Images: 4
Dave,

For what its worth, I have found my (Iridium) satphone to be quite reliable. I actually prefer it to HF for email -- with HF I have to find a band that is open, fight interference and lightning crashes, and wait my turn to connect. It does work, but I can send and receive much more data, much more quickly, by satphone than by HF. By the way, I've had my ham license for many years, and used to hold a commercial ticket as well, so I am reasonably good at HF radio operation.

Of course "much more data" really isn't much, compared to land-based internet.

I used HF and Sailmail exclusively a couple of years ago, and it was great. Since I started using satphone email, it has become my first choice for email, with HF as a back-up. I still use HF regularly for the nets.

As for it being "hideously expensive", that, too, is relative. It is certainly more expensive than Sailmail or Winlink, and one should look at the budget impact before deciding to use it.
__________________
Paul Elliott, S/V VALIS - Pacific Seacraft 44 #16 - Friday Harbor, WA
www.sailvalis.com
Paul Elliott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2006, 07:34   #19
Registered User
 
Sonosailor's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada in the summer and fall; Caribbean in winter and spring aboard Cat Tales.
Boat: FP Tobago 35 (and a H-21 SE)
Posts: 547
Images: 8
I have to admit, we spent a lot of the last two years waiting for our turn for Winlink email, after we searched for the correct node and frequency. With the Admiral hooked to emailing, and the need to control competing electronic devices on board, it was a real nuisance. I need a drink just remembering it.
__________________
Sonosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2006, 15:02   #20
Senior Cruiser
 
Talbot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Brighton, UK
Boat: Privilege 37
Posts: 3,579
Images: 32
People have made a lot of assumptions on this thread that are based on conditions in their area. The original Post was from Australia, and things are different there. call somebody on VHF and you will be very lucky to get help. GMDSS is by HF see http://www.gmdss.com.au/recvsls.htm
__________________
"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss."
Robert A Heinlein
Talbot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2006, 15:11   #21
Bob Norson
Guest

Posts: n/a
Greetings Lloyd

Geez... they let anyone on this site! You still running just VHF then? You are not alone if you are.

I have quite a list of sailmail address's in my email program. Like Quoll II in Malasysia, Arcturus and Chappie in Phuket etc etc... and it seems to work fine except you have to keep the file sizes down, no photos. It's a slow link. The hard part is keeping your family and friends from inadvertantly clogging it up. So, limitations but it works. When Trish on Quoll II sends me a story with pics she waits till they are in town at a internet cafe and then sends them on.

Someday when I grow up and get to do what you are doing..... I think I'll get a HF.

BTW Lloyd... we have a new boat in the works... Best not to drop by Bowen for a while... you may be pressed into service!

Cheers
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2006, 20:37   #22
Senior Cruiser
 
rebel heart's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,190
Images: 3
I don't have a lot of miles under my keel, but I put the SSB radio into the list of MTDS (Multi - Thousand - Dollar - Systems). There are tons of them out there:

- SSB
- Fridge / Freezer
- Radar
- Air Conditioning
- Watermakers

I have no doubt that they are all very nice, and in fact we have a couple of them on our Hans Christian. But they are expensive, require money, and typically require you to bolster up other aspects of your boat (noteably the eletrical system).

We're saving up money over the next few years to pay our boat mortgage off, and get a nice purse going so we can leave. The more money we give to West Marine, the longer we have to wait, and the shorter our trip's duration can be.

If someone wanted to give me all those MTDS's to me for free and agree to maintain them, well then I'd probably have them all installed. You guys let me know if anyone wants to hook that up.
__________________
rebel heart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-12-2006, 17:00   #23
Senior Cruiser
 
Talbot's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Brighton, UK
Boat: Privilege 37
Posts: 3,579
Images: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Norson
Someday when I grow up and get to do what you are doing..... I think I'll get a HF.
How many people around Aus coast are actually equipped with a DSC HF
because GMDSS for Recreational Vessels implies that you wont get help unless you have a dsc set
__________________
"Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss."
Robert A Heinlein
Talbot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14-12-2006, 01:08   #24
Registered User
 
swagman's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winter land based UK New Forest. Summer months away. Making the transition from sail to power this year - scary stuff.
Boat: Super Van Craft 1320 Power Yacht
Posts: 2,175
Images: 10
Send a message via Skype™ to swagman
Hi Talbot,
As of 1997 when we left, most cruisers and all racers went offshore installed MF/HF. Can't even recall if DSC was available then - we certainly did not have it.
But on the west coast there were then, and suggest still are today, large areas with no VHF and restricted MF cover from shoreside. When running longer races from Freo up we needed a race control team to drive up and position a van based land station at differing points for lower frequency contact.
I understand Perth Radio is still manually monitored and busy.....but with DSC not sure what longer term plans are.
Rgds
JOHN
__________________

__________________
Don't take life too seriously. No ones going to make it out alive......Go see our blog at http://www.sailblogs.com/member/yachtswagman/
swagman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
hf radio, radio

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
VHF RADIO RANGE GordMay Marine Electronics 16 24-02-2007 10:33
AIS Update Curtis Marine Electronics 49 12-10-2006 17:26
Radio Net Frequencies & Schedules GordMay Marine Electronics 6 27-11-2005 15:47
RF Noise from Mastervolt Alpha Pro BachAndByte Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 4 21-08-2004 05:33
World of Boating Radio Show GordMay The Library 0 28-07-2004 03:06



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:13.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.