Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 02-10-2016, 14:53   #16
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: el campo
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,327
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Buying these things in a dark alley (ebay or CL) is risky business. You don't know if it is stolen,.....


Just saying.
Just deal with these people then.... new 718 .. $599
Icom IC-718, Icom 718 Amateur Transceiver
__________________

El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:05   #17
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Carrabelle, Florida
Boat: Self-built 44' steel trawler
Posts: 784
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Icom won't support a 718 or a 725. I found a tech on the west coast that works on them, and sent this one to him for hoped-for repair while I bought a second one from one of the internet ham shops. The problem was my ignorance, not anything in the radio. He bench tested it and sent it back, where it sits in its shipping box. I could drag up his name if someone needs it.
__________________

__________________
tkeithlu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:31   #18
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 558
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mario f View Post
...My interest is mainly to receive but nice to transmit in emergency...
A SSB having DSC would be a good feature for emergency use.

Later,
Dan
__________________
dannc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:31   #19
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 11,377
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarstenWL View Post
Sorry - this is total bs ....

Carsten
Actually it is very correct. Ham radios, compared to a marine rated and certified HF radio put out a much dirtier signal. If you do a search on previous discussions on this issue you may find a very detailed, technical analysis by ka4wja of the output of the best ham radios vs marine rated HF/SSB. They do not compare.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:32   #20
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: el campo
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,327
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tkeithlu View Post
Icom won't support a 718 or a 725. I found a tech on the west coast that works on them, and sent this one to him for hoped-for repair while I bought a second one from one of the internet ham shops. The problem was my ignorance, not anything in the radio. He bench tested it and sent it back, where it sits in its shipping box. I could drag up his name if someone needs it.
?????? I can understand not supporting the 725 which has been out of production since whenever but the 718 which is still being sold new ????
El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:34   #21
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: el campo
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,327
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by skipmac View Post
Actually it is very correct. Ham radios, compared to a marine rated and certified HF radio put out a much dirtier signal. If you do a search on previous discussions on this issue you may find a very detailed, technical analysis by ka4wja of the output of the best ham radios vs marine rated HF/SSB. They do not compare.
Just buy a second hand 710 then....... problem solved..
El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 15:46   #22
Senior Cruiser
 
roverhi's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kona, Hawaii
Boat: 1969 Pearson 35 #108
Posts: 5,578
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

First, it's not hard to pass the Ham General or even extra license. Spent the better part of a day taking practice exams on one of the many on line 'prep' sites. Granted had taken the technician test which I'd studied a Gordon West exam prep book for. Probably could have passed the Extra exam as the test correctors seemed surprised that I didn't opt to take it after passing the General exam.

Bought my ICOM 718 opened up off eBay for $400.
__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a Pearson 35
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 16:02   #23
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 11,377
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pinguino View Post
Just buy a second hand 710 then....... problem solved..
I bought an M700 Pro. No problem.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 16:15   #24
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Carrabelle, Florida
Boat: Self-built 44' steel trawler
Posts: 784
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

I'm sorry. The 718 is still supported. $726 on Amazon.
__________________
tkeithlu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 16:49   #25
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 11,377
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tkeithlu View Post
Carsten, I got slammed on this forum for just this when I proposed using an opened ham HF about a year ago. It was complete with spectrographs of ham and marine SSB signals and how messy the ham signal was, and angry people saying basically "How dare you!" I'd love to have you proven right, since I have an opened Icom 725, but argue the point with them, not me.
Lots of cruisers have purchased and used Ham radios on marine HF bands. The world has not ended, the ionosphere didn't catch on fire. If you buy a really good Ham radio my non technical guess is the impact won't be huge.

However, using ham radios on marine bands will certainly cause some interference to others on the band. Using a marine certified radio is just showing a little consideration for others on the air, like a radio version of cruisers leaving a clean wake.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 17:08   #26
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 847
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pinguino View Post
Just buy a second hand 710 then....... problem solved..
Banging your head against a brick wall with some of the folks "experts" here; they believe everything they write about the 802! It is a good rig, but 90% of people doing the miles who actually use SSB are not using an 802 but one of the sets you have suggested!! I rest your honour.
__________________
Littlechay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 17:13   #27
Senior Cruiser
 
skipmac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: 29 49.16 N 82 25.82 W
Boat: Pearson 422
Posts: 11,377
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Littlechay View Post
Banging your head against a brick wall with some of the folks "experts" here; they believe everything they write about the 802! It is a good rig, but 90% of people doing the miles who actually use SSB are not using an 802 but one of the sets you have suggested!! I rest your honour.
I have seen people use a wrench to drive a nail. Works just fine but doesn't mean it's the best tool for the job.

I don't have an 802 but wouldn't mind owning one if I had the cash. Maybe you could save me some money by explaining what is written about the 802 that is incorrect.
__________________
The water is always bluer on the other side of the ocean.
skipmac is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 17:22   #28
Registered User
 
Sandero's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Westchester/Northport LI
Boat: Shiva - Contest 36s
Posts: 4,079
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

I installed a Furuno 1502 w/ tuner and isolated backstay antenna. I added copper sheet counterpoise and used the rig when I was to and from and in the Caribbean daily. It was handy. Haven't used it in years and so it collects dust which has to be cleaned. I used to log onto Her SouthBoundII 1253A, NOAA and so forth. I was help in an offshore rescue with Herb using the SSC... so I suppose it saved a few lives... not mine however!
__________________
Sandero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 17:25   #29
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: el campo
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,327
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

Lets try and stay on track with the OP shall we....
'Greetings to all,
Thinking of installing a radio to get weather reports thru the west carib.
Looking at the Xiegu X108 Transceiver. My interest is mainly to receive but nice to transmit in emergency.
Not interested in mega bucks installation of mega hf system.
Just looking for economical reliable way to receive weather info.


HF on the cheap?
Your thoughts and opinions please.'

I'm sure 802's are brilliant but that is not what the OP is looking for.

Moving right along... lots of ham radios being used on lots of marine band nets around the world on a daily basis without bothering anyone.

Back to the OP... cheapest way to just get wx is a Tecsun 880 or similar.
El Pinguino is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2016, 21:04   #30

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 12,167
Re: HF SSB your thoughts please.

A lot of commercial fishermen used to use Drake ham radios in the NE instead of marine radios. Of course Drake was building those for government use (embassies, etc.) so they weren't quite ordinary commodity grade. But even then, you could tell from the audio quality who was using a marine radio, and who was using a ham radio.


A Jeep and a McLaren are both cars, they'll both get you cross town, that doesn't mean you should pick one at random though.


Sometimes a ham radio is discontinued because of parts issues. Like Icom's venerable 706, where the final output transistors were equally venerable, andwhen they were discontinued by their maker...bye bye. Then when Icom found a workaround with a new finals board and a different part, for a while, there was an extension. Bye bye.


Sometimes it is just volume, each product has a price/performance niche, if one doesn't sell...


But again, coming back to the OP's wants. A ham radio requires TUNING to FREQUENCIES and all sort of complicated buttons for sideband select, offset, modes...Where a marine VHF has simple CHANNELS like a tv set. Pick a channel, call. No buttons to get flummoxed with. And, that handy DSC function may be available on a new one. In an emergency? When you may have to tell someone else "Go down below and call for help" which radio is more likely to be easy for them?
I'd say the marine radio. Not as flexible, but way fewer complications are possible. And a reputable commercial vendor should be able to supply a clean used one, too. With a guarantee.
__________________

__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
lease, ssb

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
400: Looking at buying, your thoughts please MadCat Lagoon Catamarans 21 06-03-2016 12:44
SSB Receivers - Your experiences with them, please JohnOrion Marine Electronics 8 28-05-2013 05:53
Thoughts on new SSB/Ham installation AnchorageGuy Marine Electronics 19 17-01-2009 20:26
your thoughts and experiences please hooligan971 Liveaboard's Forum 6 16-11-2006 19:18


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 20:38.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.