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Old 01-06-2013, 17:08   #1
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Electronic refit freydis 49 Cat

I stopped by Jedi in "paradise" last week to ask his advice unfortunately I missed him.
So i will ask him on the forum and anyone else who wants to , can chip in.
Boat is a 49 ft Freydis cat carbon rotating mast on the hard in Paradise! ( that would be Shelter bay Panama to the rest of us)

I am intending to upgrade the electronics with the following

Helm
Keep Existing tack tick speed and depth port hull
Tack tick wind

Add following
12" Zeus touch B&G
4g radar B&G
AIS watchmate 850
Triton depth starboard hull
Remote mike for explorer Vhf Plus Icom handheld VHF ( from last boat)
Add maretron or lcj captuers ultrasonic wind when I figure out how to compensate for mast rotation


Nav station
Keep
Existing furuno Navnet gps
(Tack ticks can be moved inside to secondary mount position)

Add following
B&G go free wireless
Laptop running open cpn
Standard horizon explorer VHF (has built in gps for DSC)
Also have ipad with Inavx and bad elf Gps

Autopilot still work in progress fitting hydrive hydraulic steering with integral auto pilot as we speak. More on that to follow

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Re: Electronic refit freydis 49 Cat

Sounds good to me utilising some quality gear.

Looking foward to Jedi and other expert comments.
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Re: Electronic refit freydis 49 Cat

The Triton is a full-fledged MFD - MUCH more than just a depth display!

Jedi won't like that radar choice - wrong one you pick...

Airmar makes a ultrasonic wind/compass combo - could that compensate for a rotating mast?

You have a fantastic boat - congrats!

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I stopped by Jedi in "paradise" last week to ask his advice unfortunately I missed him.
So i will ask him on the forum and anyone else who wants to , can chip in.
Boat is a 49 ft Freydis cat carbon rotating mast on the hard in Paradise! ( that would be Shelter bay Panama to the rest of us)

I am intending to upgrade the electronics with the following

Helm
Keep Existing tack tick speed and depth port hull
Tack tick wind

Add following
12" Zeus touch B&G
4g radar B&G
AIS watchmate 850
Triton depth starboard hull
Remote mike for explorer Vhf Plus Icom handheld VHF ( from last boat)
Add maretron or lcj captuers ultrasonic wind when I figure out how to compensate for mast rotation

Nav station
Keep
Existing furuno Navnet gps
(Tack ticks can be moved inside to secondary mount position)

Add following
B&G go free wireless
Laptop running open cpn
Standard horizon explorer VHF (has built in gps for DSC)
Also have ipad with Inavx and bad elf Gps

Autopilot still work in progress fitting hydrive hydraulic steering with integral auto pilot as we speak. More on that to follow

Regards
Paul
Hi Paul, sorry we missed you but you'll be back I guess

What I would do is a bit more radical than your plan. I would remove all current electronics and sell it. I sold everything I had right here on CF and got some serious money for it that I could use to buy new. There are always people who need to replace a failed component or who want to extend using the same product line etc.

Next, I would install a NMEA2000 backbone using standarized components. Use Maretron components with their free design software for that phase. The problem is going to be the rotating mast. We have friends with a trimaran with a fixed wing and they have a rather big pole on the bow that holds instruments. For rotating masts I have heard about sensors that measure rotation. I would give Maretron a call about this, and/or B&G. You want this to work over NMEA2000.

Then you have NMEA2000 sensors for compass, depth/speed/temp triducer, GPS (I would get 2 different brand ones, i.e. Maretron and Airmar), wind/weather, rudder position etc. I would use Maretron, Airmar and Simrad for those, making sure to convert to standard connectors if needed (SimNet to N2K cables for example).

When that is done, you can start choosing from a lot of brands for displays etc. I think the B&G Triton displays are pretty top of the line now but there are also good looking Raymarine displays out there. You don't need many, probably just one at a steering position. For Autopilot, the Simrad is an easy choice with their AC42 computer. For radar chartplotter, that Zeus looks good. I would prefer a pulse radar if they have it but the 4G would be acceptable too. I would try to get the structure scan sonar if possible; on the same display unit.
Another, although pricey, option is the TZtouch from Furuno. The big advantage is that it will integrate with MaxseaTZ incl. radar which is great.

I would buy a Simrad RS-35 VHF (=NMEA2000) with that wireless remote (= nobrainer!) and a Vesper blackbox AIS with wifi (model 7000?) which integrates with iPad.

That would be about it. There are some details to take care of, like how you will upgrade firmware in displays and sensors. You probably need to buy something for that.
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Thanks Nick, mini cables or micro cables?
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Thanks Nick, mini cables or micro cables?
The software will show what you need. A lot depends on the mast too. I have micro cables. Also, there are now bridges/switches so that you can make it as big as you like.
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Good luck with the refit - seems very comprehensive.

I'd be interested to hear where you end up with the mast rotation adjustment for wind data. As far as I know, there are only 3 mast rotation compensation solutions, all proprietary: B&G (physical belt system between a deck mounted sensor and a mast base fitting), Nexus and Tacktick (both dual compass systems with one compass in the mast and the other on the hull). I haven't heard of any way to get rotation compensation with an ultrasonic wind sensor like maretron, and certainly would be interested to be proven otherwise...
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Good luck with the refit - seems very comprehensive.

I'd be interested to hear where you end up with the mast rotation adjustment for wind data. As far as I know, there are only 3 mast rotation compensation solutions, all proprietary: B&G (physical belt system between a deck mounted sensor and a mast base fitting), Nexus and Tacktick (both dual compass systems with one compass in the mast and the other on the hull). I haven't heard of any way to get rotation compensation with an ultrasonic wind sensor like maretron, and certainly would be interested to be proven otherwise...
Airmar's ultrasonic has a built in compass - maybe that would allow compensation?

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Old 03-06-2013, 15:55   #9
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Re mast compensation currently using tack tick with compass on mast.
PO reported less than favorable performance from it. Losing signal.
Have emailed Lcj captuers they advertise a rotating mast solution but have not heard back. May try their uk distributor so we are on a common language.
Nexus and tic tack were advised against by Eric Lerouge, he recommended NKE , but the race package is needed at around 12,000$., which means I am looking for an alternate.
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Re mast compensation currently using tack tick with compass on mast.
PO reported less than favorable performance from it. Losing signal.
Have emailed Lcj captuers they advertise a rotating mast solution but have not heard back. May try their uk distributor so we are on a common language.
Nexus and tic tack were advised against by Eric Lerouge, he recommended NKE , but the race package is needed at around 12,000$., which means I am looking for an alternate.
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I would forget it and put the Airmar sensor somewhere else, like on the bow. You will use telltales anyway and all that racing gear is overpriced and/or unreliable. I would get rid of TakTic or whetever it is called in a hurry!
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That would be the easiest and cheapest solution . Ill try it, but leave the tactic in place just to see it for myself and maybe redundancy.

I looked at the airmar sensors but they all appear to be nmea 1983?
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I looked at the airmar sensors but they all appear to be nmea 1983?
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Only the one base model is solely 0183. All others have N2K. There is a base model with N2K that costs $100 more than the base 0183 model - they should be shot for that.

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Only the one base model is solely 0183. All others have N2K. There is a base model with N2K that costs $100 more than the base 0183 model - they should be shot for that.

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I would not buy that Airmar wind/weather/compass sensor. When I mentioned airmar, I meant N2K triducer, GPS, compass. Maybe even the combined GPS+compass but only when the budget was killing me.

And I believe Garmin also has a good N2K GPS sensor. I have had to throw away too many from Raytheon/Raymarine so would stay away from that.
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Rotating Mast Compensation
this is the proposed solution from LCJ captuers. Price seems reasonable. I think i need to use their bus to convert it to NMEA200 and make the mast angle compensation.
Checked with Maretron and software to compensate must be obtained elsewhere,
B and G only support mast rotation with their high end system not with Zuess
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