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Old 07-06-2016, 13:37   #16
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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

Update and correction to original post:

In my original post, I calculated the annual DeLorme subscription cost [for devices registered in the US] at US$65/mo x 12 months = US$820/yr. The correct value is $780/yr on that plan.

Thanks to Sailjumanji's mention of cheaper annual contracts, I found DeLorme also has an full time annual subscription for US$50/mo = US$600/yr.

This should make the comparison I proposed with sat phones a bit more accurate.

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..... understanding the Wx products available for diagnosing/predicting/confirming the Wx where you are. [For more details, here is a [URL="http://svdenalirosenc43.blogspot.com/2015/05/studying-weather-resources-in-our.html"]....

It looks like the recently released DeLorme Wx offering is a nice interface rendering GRIB data. But I constantly remind myself GRIB data is computer generated and not interpreted by a human- except you and I when we receive it. WeFax charts contain those interpretations, as well as illustrate fronts...

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Nice blog write-up.

I think you are overstating the Delorne GRIB display. It looks like it is point displays over time, as opposed to a GRIB display that is area display over time.
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Nice blog write-up.

I think you are overstating the Delorne GRIB display. It looks like it is point displays over time, as opposed to a GRIB display that is area display over time.
Thank you, Paul, both for the compliment and the critique.

You may be right about the DeLorme Wx GUI.

I was only guessing because- from the screen shot online- I was surmising that the points displayed in the GUI are derived from GRIB [or related computer generated data...?] since they offer them for anywhere in the world on demand.

I though point forecasts were forecaster generated and limited to specific areas?

It wouldn't be the first time I was confused about the origin of something...

Thanks again.

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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

Tom,
I wish you fair winds and sunny skies on your passage....and I do not wish to throw any cold water on your plan...but...

But, if you look carefully at it, 3 things become clear..
a) You are 3 years away from a departure, and in addition to technology changes, there are YOUR own changes. changes in desires, abilities, applications, etc....
So, please be aware that a plan you come up with today, may need to be changed along the way...
I figured you knew that already....just wanted to post it here for everyone else to recognize...

b) If you can afford to equip your boat with the systems you describe here, you can afford Radar....both afford the $$$ cost AND the electrical energy required (solar array, etc.)
And, along the route you describe, I would absolutely equip with radar before AIS or any sat comm gear! (Remember, you can get the "gold standard" of weather for free, with no sat comm gear.)
{and, please be aware that while the newer FMCW radars ("3G", "4G", "broadband", etc.) do use less electrical energy it is the display / MFD that uses the majority of electrical power these days for any small boat radar....bigger displays are great (I have a 12" and an 8"), but the bigger the display, the more electrical power it uses!}

c) Most importantly to your discussion here about your "weather" solution, is the fact that you seem to be choosing a raw computer model weather source! Rather than looking at weather forecasts (such as WeFax) that are prepared by experienced/seasoned marine meteorologists..
{FYI, the WeFax charts from the US NWS/NOAA, are consider the gold standard of maritime weather forecasts, as well as those from the UK Met Office, the German Met office, etc.}
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I think I have solved our weather and communications system. Use an inReach. DeLorme inReach - Two-way satellite text messaging, tracking and SOS anywhere in the world now they have weather.

Combine this with a AIS VHF receiver to see ships broadcasting.
A chart plotter like GPS Navigator may complete the system.
Plus it would be easy on the batteries.

Maybe we could avoid getting radar which is hell on the battery.
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We would be using this system for sailing from Newfoundland to the Gulf
of Finland in 2019. Probably by then the system will have the bugs worked out or more features added.
Tom, please read what Bill (wrwakefield) wrote, especially this here...
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It looks like the recently released DeLorme Wx offering is a nice interface rendering GRIB data. But I constantly remind myself GRIB data is computer generated and not interpreted by a human- except you and I when we receive it. WeFax charts contain those interpretations, as well as illustrate fronts...

There are many Wx prediction products, and several somewhat cost effective methods for receiving them while on the water.

And, have a look here, as well...
Offshore / Hi-Seas Weather data / forecasts


Offshore Weather Videos
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...zdjTJjHlChruyY

And, some other up-to-date info...
Weather Forecast


There's a lot more, but you're 3 years out...so no worries about me over-loading you with long winded ramblings!

Fair winds...

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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

Thank you for the superb comments.
A Satellite Phone and Radar is the current state of the art.
Thank you Bill, for the link to Denali Rose thread on communications.
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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

If you're three years out I would wait on electronics update. We just upgraded all of our electronics last year, in prep for our three month cruise this year. I'm not sure but I don't think the b&g zeus2 we installed was even available three years ago. Ditto for 4g radar. Electronics are constantly getting better. Wait.

I also suspect there is going to be something better than delorme. Four years ago, the spot was the deal. I think delorme is going to put them out of business. Someone may do same to delorme, or maybe delorme will come up with something even better now they are owned by Garmin.

No mention of xm weather? I know some cruisers that love their marine service.
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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

Thank you for the information. Our SSB died and I thought we could use inReach. Now I am more prone to go with a Sat Phone. Solutions to communication and weather forecasts in the middle of the ocean are evolving.
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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

TheBoatGalley.com just posted about the weather ability on the Delorme today.
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Thank you for the superb comments.
A Satellite Phone and Radar is the current state of the art.
Thank you Bill, for the link to Denali Rose thread on communications.
You are welcome, Tom.

I'm glad you found some of our documented personal experiences useful.

Best wishes refining your needs and obtaining what is best for you.

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Tom,
You're very welcome!

BTW, while an Iridium sat phone (and a external antenna) might work well for you...I'm curious what "SSB" you have/had, and what happened to it??
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Thank you for the information. Our SSB died and I thought we could use inReach. Now I am more prone to go with a Sat Phone. Solutions to communication and weather forecasts in the middle of the ocean are evolving.
I figure this is not a big deal for you right now, but just curious what you have and what happened to it...
(maybe we can be of some help in that regard!)


And, while "communications" like all technology is always evolving, don't loose sight that physics and mother nature haven't changed at all....and won't in the coming 3 years, at least!
-- HF radio works and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future....
-- Sat comm requires direct line-of-sight to the satellites, and above threshold signals, in order to work...
Whatever "evolving" happens in the coming years, will not change these facts...



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Re: Complete Com and Weather with inReach

Does anybody know if the weather option will work with the Original InReach (black cube looking thing...) or is this an SE or better option only?
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