Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 24-11-2016, 13:53   #1
Registered User
 
zboss's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: On a boat
Boat: 1987 Cabo Rico 38 #117
Posts: 3,885
B&G vs. Garmin

Folks,

If I were considering B&G over Garmin - what would be the most compelling reasons to do so?

I see that most of the manufacturers of higher-end boats include B&G equipment on their boats. I'm not sure why considering that their 4G radar was introduced back in 2010 and on the surface I'm not really seeing anything that they offer that Garmin does not.

Garmin seems to keep innovating but B&G has the appearance of being stagnant.

- z
__________________

zboss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 14:10   #2
Registered User
 
gamayun's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Oakland, CA
Boat: Freedom 38
Posts: 1,892
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

I started off with B&G so can't really compare the two, but the big thing that seemed to set them all apart were Sail Steer. B&G is more sailing performance-oriented.
__________________

gamayun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 14:45   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,413
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

These companies copy each other's feature in due time. Most of them now have too many features and most of them are not needed... but they are cool and fun.

Most important in reliability, user friendly interface (intuitive)... day and night visibility.

Personally I think touch screens are not a great idea. I don't like commands buried deep inside menus.... If one has to enter a name, for example a keypad is better than a dial... and so on. I had great expectation for the B&G T7... but it's not very user friendly... I would not get another one. My old Ray C80 is going to die and I will have to replace it.... probably with a Garmin non touch or maybe hybrid screen.

I would love to be able to really kick the tires with these things... marketing vids and demos are always slick and impressive... as they're supposed to be. The proof of the pudding however is in the tasting.
Sandero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2016, 04:34   #4
Registered User
 
CaptTom's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Boat: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Posts: 1,516
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

Quote:
Originally Posted by zboss View Post
Garmin seems to keep innovating but B&G has the appearance of being stagnant.
I tend to agree with that assessment.

I have both on my current boat, and have used lots of different electronics over the years. I find plenty to complain about (mostly, planned obsolescence and price) with Garmin. But after due diligence comparing features and usability, I still end up with their stuff more often than not.

B&G would have to come a long way before I'd consider buying anything from them again.
CaptTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2016, 04:54   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: vessel sold at LAKES ENTRANCE to a local. Currently nursing my 93 Y/o mother in Sydney. Next boat probably will be bought in the U.S.
Boat: triton 721 24' x 9' 1985 Cutter rigged.
Posts: 922
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

Navico produces B&G, Simrad & Lowrance.
Most of the B&G and the Simrad stuff are identical with name changes only.
Navico, b&g , simrad do things that Garmin (afaik) do not ...e.g. auto pilots, controllers for same, rate gyros for the pilots (eg rc 42).
If you have a tiller steered vessel, and you're smart, you'll have a Simrad tiller pilot.
Garmin don't do one and the Raymarine Autohelm unit is very light duty
For me, one brand. Plotter, pilot, pilot controller, rate gyro...Simrad.
FWIW.
brianlara 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2016, 06:07   #6
Registered User
 
Suijin's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Annapolis MD; currently in Luperon DR
Boat: Valiant 40
Posts: 4,432
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

I have older generation Garmin radar and chart plotters on my boat, and B&G instruments and sensors. I've always been a big fan of Garmin chart plotters primarily for the user interface, which is straightforward and fairly intuitive. That said, I had Lowrence chart plotters on my previous boat and really liked them a lot too.

As noted, Navico now owns B&G, Simrad, and Lawrence. When I bought my B&G instrument package, it came with a Simrad depth/paddlewheel/temp transducer and a Navico wind anemometer. All of it works seamlessly. I chose B&G for the Triton displays, which I really like...bright, easy to use, and the wind display is second to none. When I get around to replacing the radar and chart plotters it will likely be B&G, we'll see.

Certainly Sailsteer is the primary differentiator between B&G and Garmin, which doesn't have anything comparable (yet). B&G has always been sailing focused, and was a staple on the racing circuit.
Suijin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2016, 13:00   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 302
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

Being able to mirror and maybe control your chart plotter from a tablet is also a great function. If it interests you you should check out the apps these brands offer.
John Holbrook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-12-2016, 20:42   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 2
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

B&G in the racing scene haven't had real competition before hence why all you see is B&G. Since being owned by Navico it has certainly gone down hill in quality.
Garmin have entered the scene and work extremely well with Expedition and other racing software.
Garmin is certainly worth a look. You wont be disappointed.
Nagromxam1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 08:54   #9
Registered User

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,275
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

Unfortunately products and reputation from five years ago don't tell you much about what you buy today. Only Garmin is the same company as before the recession.

My first chartplotter was Raytheon (e.g. prior to Raymarine). For the era it was astonishing as was the service from the company. Things went downhill when they were spun off into Raymarine. They were bought by Flir for loose change just before bankruptcy -- Flir's improved things - if a bit slowly. The great news is that Flir is not owned by private equity but is a public company in the S&P 500. Maybe not the deep pockets of Raytheon but a hopeful future. I still find the Raymarine usability and network capabilities well below current Garmin.

Simrad and B&G were fantastic companies. My Simrad autopilot was designed for fishing boats in North Sea gales. And in sail focused instruments, B&G was the only game in town. But then came the Private Equity rollup and the familiar triumph of financial engineering over product quality. The Navico rollup of of Lowrance, B&G and Simrad was done by a Norwegian PE company named Altor. This year they sold Navico to Goldman Sachs Merchant Banking System who is probably better at financial engineering than product vision. In the press release announcing the by buy-out, Goldman Sachs is very excited about Navico's $62 million of EBITDA but didn't bother to mention autopilots or sailsteer. Presumably they'll follow the playbook and "flip" Navico to another PE company in 3-5 years.

Ownership | Navico

Like Flir, Garmin is a public company on the S&P 500 based in Kansas. Their glass cockpits set the standard in private aviation - a much more demanding product area than marine electronics as the FAA has to OK everything. I've owned Garmin for eight years on two boats and never had a crash or service need. They've also been great at providing free software upgrades about every six months that both add functionality and fix bugs. You just download from the Garmin site.
CarlF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 10:04   #10
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Boat: 50' catamaran
Posts: 432
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

We currently have a older B&G 2000 Hydra system on our yacht which served us well. It is due for a replacement soon - but this time around, I will be looking at Furuno products. For us, it is far more important that the products we buy today can and will still be supported/replaced/repaired 15 years from now.

When you have a failed or damaged product a few years after buying it and then find out that it is no longer available or supported is no fun. You also want to be sure that there is support for your products where you intent sailing.
__________________
http://www.svrevelations.com
Revelations is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 12:13   #11
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: We have a problem... A serious addiction issue.
Posts: 3,979
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

For a full replacement I would switchto NKE in a heartbeat. Their autopilot is easily the best around right now. The system is also completely modular so you can add all sorts of sensors if you want them, or just pare it down to bare minimums.

Garmin and Raymarine in my view are really powerboat gear that can be used on sailboat. Not bad necessarily, but they lack real sailing refinements. B&G used to be best onthe block until NKE knocked them off, but they still have a pretty solid system designed for sailing not power boating.
__________________
Greg

- If animals weren't meant to be eaten then they wouldn't be made of food.
Stumble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 14:02   #12
Registered User
 
CaptTom's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern Maine
Boat: Prairie 36 Coastal Cruiser
Posts: 1,516
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
They've [Garmin] also been great at providing free software upgrades about every six months that both add functionality and fix bugs. You just download from the Garmin site.
Wow, your experience differs from mine. As soon as they came out with an ever-so-slightly new model, Garmin dropped support for my 3-year-old unit like a hot potato. Even though it's clear the base code is the same as the new model, they won't release any of the new software features for mine.

For example, the new model displays ActiveCaptain data. Mine takes the exact same data card, with the AC data loaded on it, but doesn't display it. That's purely a software update Garmin could easily have been made available for my unit. But they want me to shell out $1-$2K on a new one to get that feature.

That sort of thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth, even though I admit Garmin often offers better quality, both hardware and software, than much of the competition. Just don't expect any meaningful software updates after the first few months of ownership.
CaptTom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 14:29   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Canary islands
Boat: Custom 55
Posts: 887
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

I second Stumble's NKE recommendation. It's the best autopilot I've ever used by far. All of our other sailing instruments are B&G (hydra 2000, the good stuff...), but when it fails, our instrument package will go all NKE.

TJ
TJ D is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 15:19   #14
Registered User
 
zboss's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: On a boat
Boat: 1987 Cabo Rico 38 #117
Posts: 3,885
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

We have Garmin and I have been playing around with the navionics sonarcharts and they are much more detailed than the Garmin charts. I'm not thrilled with my Garmin Reactor autopilot... in any following seas (using "follow route") she wants to head up and then head down... carving an s curve all the way. As soon as i switch over to simple "follow heading" it goes much better. I've been thinking about electronics selections for our next boat, which is why I posted the question.
zboss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-12-2016, 16:12   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 17,705
Re: B&G vs. Garmin

I like all major brands but I prefer Garmin, Furuno and HS when I interface things.

I think if you go with all parts from one company, it does not really matter which one you take - look for the functions you want, then pull out the wallet ...

I agree with posters above who noted many performance or big sailing yachts use B&G. I have seen it on IMOCAs and on Maxis. Must be good stuff then.

Garmin is a good brand and I never ever had any issues with their products. We have some onboard and I would buy more and again.

So to say, you have only good choices. Lucky duck.

b.
__________________

barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
garmin

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Want To Buy: Garmin Bluechart data cards for older garmin tortola7 Classifieds Archive 1 04-06-2013 18:45
Want To Buy: C-Map & Garmin Electronic Charts for West & SW Caribbean TwylaJean Classifieds Archive 0 13-07-2011 16:22
Is Garmin GARMIN/GARMIN (Host) Mode Working ? Sail323 OpenCPN 13 13-11-2010 06:36



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:57.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.