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Old 23-01-2015, 04:05   #1
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B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

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I have a full system of B&G kit on my yacht - 3fd Screens, Network Quad and the horrible Chart plotter Elite Gray scale from around year 2000...The displays work well and I like the 3FD's but wanted to upgrade the chartplotter to a system that I can buy new charts for! Has anyone any experience in this process and what could be suggested - I presume the cables that plug in to my existing plotter wont plug and play with another system but with some plug modifications do you think I will get the current functionality of SOG, Waypoints etc?...
From discussion with someone they have said that the B&G Elite was actually a Garmin product re-badge so wondered if a Garmin 2010C would be good?

Any help would be great otherwise I am looking at a full system replacement which will cost the earth
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Old 23-01-2015, 06:57   #2
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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

The Network Quad output is NMEA0183, so there should be no problem connecting the speed, depth, wind, GPS to any brand of new chart plotter.

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Thanks ColeMJ-

I presume it would be a case of re configuring the wiring to get it to work - I presume the instruments are all configured through a box of tricks so would be a case of working out what wire does what?

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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

I don't know exactly how yours was installed, but on ours the cables ran from the instruments to a breakout box where the NMEA connections were made.

The NMEA communications only uses two wires, so it isn't highly complicated. Find the NMEA output wires from the quad - this will be the "talker", and connect them to the NMEA input of the new chart plotter. The baud rate is 4800.

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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

B&G zeus 2. nice screens. keep it all bng


connect 183 to new screen
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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

You can also add a Simrad AT-10 or Actisense NGW-1, both bidirectional converter, and start building a N2K network for future upgrade.
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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

I don't think they sell the AT-10 anymore. Get the Actisense regardless if you plan to go this way.

There is no advantage to keeping the entire system B&G since the existing Network components have no relationship to the current B&G gear other than the name (and even that has gone through different ownerships since then).

On the other hand, the Zeus is certainly a very nice plotter.

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I finally gave up on plotters - expensive to buy and to repair. Now have two cheap laptops with nav software. In the process of linking to my B&G Network instruments.

Final straw was when I was quoted over $700 to replace the bulb that lit up the screen on the plotter (was older and a discontinued model). They wanted 150 just to tell me what the problem was.

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Defender still have AT-10 in stock at $92.


Expensive for a bulb. You can get a B&G Zeus Touch 8 for $800 at Defender.
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Re: B&G System 3fd, Network and elite chartplotter

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Defender still have AT-10 in stock at $92.
I'm surprised it is still being produced because it uses Simnet connectors, not micro-c. Even Simrad has left Simnet connectors behind, so this product doesn't seem to have a reason for being.

It also has a very poor and limited set implementation of 0183-2000 conversion.

So to use it, one would need to also buy a Simnet-MicroC cable and be content with only a subset of 0183 sentences being converted.

For anyone needing 0183-2000 conversion, I highly recommend NOT getting the AT-10. We have an AT-10, Actisense and Maretron converters. I would rank them Actisense>Maretron>>>>>>>>>>>>AT10.

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Your evaluation of 0183-2000 conversion is right on.


All those Simnet devices still on the market are balance of stock.


If you only want to convert wind & speed data as I did (B&G Hornet4 -> Tinley Hornet4 to NMEA -> AT-10) when I installed my Zeus Touch, the AT-10 is perfect and less expensive ($135 for AT-10 + Simnet-MicroC cable). For other data, like autopilot and AIS, Actisense is the one.
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