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23-01-2016, 15:10
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#226
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by socaldmax
You make a hell of a lot of assumptions.
A friend of mine has a PhD in political science. It certainly wasn't warranted. It was something that interested her and she did it. Perhaps that's an indication of some sort of underlying medical issue....
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No, I'm going on the information provided in the thread, by the OP.
The inconvenient truth is that the OP didn't mention a health condition that the captain considered pertinent. This is a problem for two reasons. One, that the health condition might be considered material by the captain, and two, that the captain might consider the fact that he failed to mention it material.
The captain's judgment is the only thing that counts, and in this case, the crew member was left at the dock.
You get to make the decisions on your boat, and he gets to make the decision on his.
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23-01-2016, 15:42
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#227
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by valhalla360
How so? The OP "said" part of his side of the story and conveniently omitted key information even after being called out on it. We haven't heard from the Captain.
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There was one previous post here by someone that may personally know the Captain, which revealed what might have been the issue.
But if you are really interested try PMing the Captain that placed the "Crew Wanted" position.
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23-01-2016, 15:53
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#228
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by OutOfControl
try PMing the Captain that placed the "Crew Wanted" position.
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Oh, he sails a Wauquiez Hood 38 MKll
No idea if that's the same captain (have you verified this?) but if so, he has obviously chosen not to get involved in this topic. I doubt a bunch of people PM'ing him will change that.
At least -- I wouldn't feel obligated to explain myself in any thread here ...
And after all this, I won't be posting any crew wanted ads here for sure
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23-01-2016, 16:14
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#229
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
The internet is a strange place.
Actually we have a lot of info...
The OP mentioned (albeit later) that he has studied this medical condition extensively and has a PhD in it.
Looking at the OP's earlier posts we have a name to link to the Phd.
Google is your friend and we have the OP's linkedin page.
Now, this could be a cruel joke by an impostor, dropping fake clues about, and the OP could JUST be pretending to be the person that s/he says they are....
Yet, if all the clues point to a real person, then it appears that the medical condition could be an issue.
The concept about writing all out is good, as it may help clarify issues. Volunteering on a strangers vessel boat is inherently risky.
I side with the skipper, and think that in the future both sides have learnt that one should ask/disclose any medical issue that could be a problem.
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23-01-2016, 16:22
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by EzzyD
Google is your friend and we have the OP's linkedin page
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Very young looking for 56 ...
Are we really dragging this topic down to FB level, where we try and show how amazing our Google/search skills are and post links to personal pages that may or may not have *anything* to do with this topic?
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23-01-2016, 16:22
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
I spoke with my "skipper" friend yesterday. He's in Hopetown with his nephew as sole crew.
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23-01-2016, 16:26
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Location: Fernandina Beach, FL
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
EzzyD, good detective work.
I suspect diabetes or a hunchback.
On the other hand this gentleman has quite an interesting resume and should be proud of what he has accomplished in academia, the workplace, and also his volunteer work.
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23-01-2016, 19:19
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by reed1v
We did also carry two body bags just in case.
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I often did this for dates I would take sailing. I still have one left!
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23-01-2016, 20:25
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What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
I think that OP was disingenuous not being forthcoming with his condition, whatever it is. I would respect anybody being upfront with a condition, and see if we could work it out.
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23-01-2016, 20:28
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What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
Hiding it and showing up, I wouldn't trust him. What else could he be hiding? A sin of omission is still being dishonest in my book. Just like he didn't tell the whole story in the original post. Honesty and integrity, that is what I respect.
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23-01-2016, 20:51
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by Celestialsailor
I often did this for dates I would take sailing. I still have one left!
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There's a Bill Cosby joke hiding in there, but I'm not saying it.
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23-01-2016, 21:00
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Now on the Dark Side: Stink Potter.
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
Hmm, the plot thickens...
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And I have a PhD in the study of this health issue.
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Quote:
. Research position in Dr. Amelia Gallitano's lab studying EGR3, a transcription factor implicated in schizophrenia
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23-01-2016, 22:37
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by OutOfControl
There was one previous post here by someone that may personally know the Captain, which revealed what might have been the issue.
But if you are really interested try PMing the Captain that placed the "Crew Wanted" position.
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Before the OP disappeared, he confirmed that it was a medical issue. No need to confirm with the Captain.
The only question left is the nature of the medical issue and if it justifies leaving the OP behind (of course hiding medical information can be justification in itself). The Captain would be in the wrong if he disclosed medical information about the OP on a public forum.
Barring new information from the OP about the nature of his condition, it's pretty clear cut what happened.
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23-01-2016, 23:06
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#239
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
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Originally Posted by socaldmax
Excellent attitude aside, I think his physical limitations and medical conditions would exclude him from sailing with me.
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Actually I was really referring to the attitude. I would indeed take that crew aboard for a short trip… and applaud the attitude. But some on the list of conditions would be a limiting fact for me if going to the deep ocean. So yes, I agree in part.
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23-01-2016, 23:08
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#240
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Re: What's a skipper's obligation to voluntary crew?
hes previously advised,
56 yo PhD (physiology), 25 year experience sailing, ASA certified, offshore delivery crew, but not very blue-water experienced.
Wanting experience before going offshore in my own dream.
Fred Boyd
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