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Old 07-07-2011, 14:07   #181
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Re: What Ever Happened to Learn by Doing ? Read a Book and Go for it !

Classes in whatever you want to learn is great. The problem arises when someone takes, say, an ASA101 class and goes out thinking they know much more than in reality they do.

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW THAT WILL KILL YOU

IT'S WHAT YOU KNOW THAT IS WRONG THAT WILL.
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Old 07-07-2011, 14:25   #182
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Is that Santa's sled?
I don't think so. Last time I saw something like that Capt James T. Kirk was firing a photon torpedo at it.........

.....but whatever, if I saw that coming out of the dark I would probably sh#t myself - as per page 112 of the ASA training manual
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Old 07-07-2011, 14:38   #183
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Re: What Ever Happened to Learn by Doing ? Read a Book and Go for it !

i was always taught --out of school, btw, that those who cannot, teach.
those who can, do.
makes a lot of sense and still follows course. those who cannot, teach us to not also.
those who can do something just do it. LOL is somethin g you instructors should think about. hard.
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i was always taught --out of school, btw, that those who cannot, teach.
those who can, do.
makes a lot of sense and still follows course. those who cannot, teach us to not also.
those who can do something just do it. LOL is somethin g you instructors should think about. hard.
I do and I teach.

Maybe those who cannot teach just b*tch about teachers.
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I do and I teach.

Maybe those who cannot teach just b*tch about teachers.
or mebbe just busy do-ing..LOL....i never had an urge to be a teacher---was a great icu/er nursee, but never ever had an urge to be a teacher of anything. i much prefer DO ing.
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As H.L. Melken famously said "Those who can - do. Those who can't - teach".
BTW - you learned it wrong.

Try George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

and it is H.L. Mencken
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, Teach. Those who can't teach teach teaches.....
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..as a bfi (basic flight instructor) for 26yr.Ive had folks that had double doctorates that could not comprehend the basics of flight, Ive seen others that had minimal education take off from a 2500 ft. mnt. and thermal out of site with a few lessons.all about the individual, maybe the guy would do ok without lessons, maybe not. if one has worrys about inate abilitys one should get training.not everyone learns the same way...some visual..some by listening...others by doing..decide which you are and go for it... but by all means go for it good luck, DVC
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that those who cannot, teach.
those who can, do.
as usual with such cliches, wrong

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Does anybody know an over opinionated grumpy old salt that knows his stuff and does sailing lessons in Southern California? If all my years of boating experience have taught me anything is that finding one with those shouldn't be very difficult.
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Sorry, but I have always taken offense to that statement. I was a public school teacher and administrator for 33 years.

As a cruiser and sailing instructor I have over 30,000 miles, of which 7,000 are bluewater. That does not include over a dozen trips around Vancouver Island, about half of which is offshore, but does include Turkey, BVIs , The Bahamas, The Leewards and the PNW. I have also crewed on race boats (actually that is where I got started.)

As an instructor-evaluator, I tell prospective instructors that they have to have had a lot of experience and made a lot of mistakes before they can impart their knowledge and skills to others.

In another forum, we ran some quizzes to test each other's knowledge, who is game for that here?
And I took offense at someone who said that anyone who doesn't go for YM offshore is scared of failing... Touche
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I see it that way as well. It's not that these course are worthless, they are certainly not; it's just that they have every reason to convince you to keep taking more courses.

That definitely seems to be the way with scuba courses. After one course there is a dose of paranoia for having to do the next. Before you know it you have paid another couple of hundred bucks and bought some waterproof diapers so that you are qualified to fart underwater.

As far as boats are concerned, over here in Australia I have only had exposure to commercial orientated seaman course such as those offered by the TAFE in Hobart, which are excellent. Still, I get the vibe that some of the more consumerist yachting course might be going down the same road as the scuba stuff; probably why I have not seriously investigated these options. In this case, I would rather just spend my dollars on good first hand accounts of the renowned circumnavigators etc
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BTW - you learned it wrong.

Try George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

and it is H.L. Mencken
Thanks, I just learned by experience... The best way.
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