Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 03-08-2015, 20:39   #31
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,709
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Invictus69 View Post
Interesting topic. I would wonder why death at sea and the subseqent procedure for disposal of the body would be any different from a death on a mountain (eg Mt Everest) or any remote location on land where transportation of the body is out of a question.
No matter how difficult, if the death is on land anywhere then investigators can subsequently go and examine the body if there are questions. If it is "buried" at sea, there is no way to do so.
__________________

__________________
StuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2015, 20:52   #32
Registered User
 
Sun and Moon's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Colorado
Boat: Bristol 29
Posts: 273
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.Don View Post
I'm interested in the procedure or rules if a crew member dies at sea.

For discussion purposes, let's assume more than 500 miles offshore, making it difficult to return or continue to destination. I'm assuming one would contact the USCG via SSB/Satphone. I think it would be unreasonable to keep the body onboard for 7+ days.

What to do?

Remind me never to crew for you.
__________________

__________________
Sun and Moon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-08-2015, 21:36   #33
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,040
Images: 1
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Use a sat phone to call the nearest Rescue Coordination Center. They can contact AMVER and effect a rendezvous with one of their ocean going vessels.

Been there, done that. Live crew member in medical distress.

VHF and SSB did no good. The EPIRB would have been the last resort.

I just finished noting the RCC's for our trip from Cape Town to the Caribbean.

Contact information is available here: SAR Contacts - Search and Rescue Contacts World-Wide

Slide show on AMVER: Rescue me
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:01   #34
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Rogoznica, Croatia
Boat: Bavaria Cruiser 40
Posts: 619
Images: 16
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Would this be a "Pan Pan", or "Pan Medico" as was, for assistance by one means or another (VHF, HF, SSB, Sat Phone etc)?

As an example, Myocardial Infarction can hit anyone at anytime and if it is a major Anterior MI then the victim is dead before they hit the floor, nothing anyone can do about it. So the first thing to do would be try to preserve the body as best you can and call for medical assistance. Hence the "Pan Pan" call. If you happen to be close to a large commercial vessel their medical officer may be able to certify death and help advise the relevant authorities which would go a long way to easing your problems later on. They may even have a morgue (surely these large cruise ships must have something just in case given the number of older folks on cruises!). I would presume that you can not dispose of the body without documented authority from someone and I hope permission from the deceased's family.

Not something any of us want to thing about or god forbid have to deal with but good to know what to do if it ever happens.

Keiron
__________________
kas_1611 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:07   #35
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Hudson Valley N.Y.
Boat: contessa 32
Posts: 826
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

O.K. What happens? Peter Tangvald (sp.?) lost 2 wives at sea;! was shot by pirates inSE Asia and the other lost in an accidental gybe.
Tillman also lost a crew member in mid Atlantic. Lotsa paperwork and accusations(of murder) upon reaching land for Tangvald ,Tillman had just the bureaucratic headaches.
The legendary Captn. Voss had a disconcerting habit of making port with less crew than he departed with………..some people are just born single handers.
The old timers always told me that the aftermost locker was named the lazarette (Biblical reference)since a body could be stowed there.

FWIW: All 3 books are lesser known than the"classics" of sailing literature but all document some extraordinary adventures.

…………………………………..luv you all………………………………mike……………………………………..
__________________
mrohr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:10   #36
Registered User
 
Capt.Don's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Altadena, CA
Boat: Tartan 3500
Posts: 611
Images: 1
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun and Moon View Post
Remind me never to crew for you.
Why?

My original post was a serious inquiry. I have two pending offshore trips with older crew-members. We were talking about "what if" and couldn't agree on a clear answer. Obviously contacting the authorities (USCG) via SSB or satphone and disposing of the body. This will be a good basis for another set of discussions re: medical history, what-if's, etc.

I appreciate everyone's input and we now have a pretty clear thread on this subject, without too much thread-drift.
__________________
Capt.Don is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:12   #37
Registered User
 
Capt.Don's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Altadena, CA
Boat: Tartan 3500
Posts: 611
Images: 1
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sy_gilana View Post
Chapter 12 of the Ship's Captains' Medical Guide.

It is downloadable as a pdf....just search without any punctuation.
Yup - that's one for the ipad! Thanks
__________________
Capt.Don is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:20   #38
Registered User
 
Rustic Charm's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Boat: Bieroc 36 foot Ketch
Posts: 4,898
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

There are those on here, as I have on numerous occasions, smelt a deceased person. There is no ability to keep the deceased on board. No living human being would be able to stand it and the example someone gave of the lady who left the body on board and went to the dingy is an example of that. Anyone suggesting you would leave it on board has simply not been there. And oddly, there is something quite different to the smell of a human than that of an animal.

If someone dies on my vessel and I'm five hundred miles out then that to me would be justification for an epirb to be set off and a mayday. And I don't believe any rescue organisation would criticise it. I'm not qualified to declare someone dead for a start. With that sort of emergency response, you just might be able to get within reach of a rescue before needing to dispose of the body.

If you can't get rescued before it's too late, then you really do need for your own safety to dispose of the body. All you could be expected to do is to do what is reasonable. Photographs and document. And most country's you sail from will be the investigating state.

I'm not sure if this scenario has happened in Australia, but I know there's been two or three people go missing during a yacht holiday, such as during a night watch and they always seem to dissolve into allegations by family but no charges ever eventuate. Seems like a good way to get rid of an annoying person. Having said that now, I hope it never happens to me as I"d look real guilty now.
__________________
Rustic Charm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 09:49   #39
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Fort Monroe, Phoebus/ Hampton, VA
Boat: Catalina 30mkI trbs
Posts: 14
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

just wondering- how could a death onboard NOT be a life-threatening situation....?
__________________
WaterfrontcplUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:44   #40
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,826
Images: 2
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaterfrontcplUS View Post
just wondering- how could a death onboard NOT be a life-threatening situation....?
Isn't that obvious..
__________________
TeddyDiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:44   #41
Registered User
 
Cadence's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 6,053
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FSMike View Post
I remember a thread along these lines somewhere on the internet.
The OP in that case was asking questions phrased in such a way that I think everybody pretty much decided they didn't want to sail with him lol.
Maybe just his wife. Alimony stinks.
__________________
Cadence is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:46   #42
Registered User
 
El Pinguino's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Punta Arenas ahorra
Boat: 39' Westerly Sealord
Posts: 3,947
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

If you really think that you should keep the body on board and also have a freezer (common I believe on many cruising boats these days) then the answer is simple... just dismember the body and stow it in the freezer. At least nobody can accuse you of throwing them overboard...
El Pinguino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:50   #43
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 43
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

I would only add that if you can make no radio contact, you should deploy EPRIB. Although it is not a rescue, you must consider that without official notification you will be the subject of a possible criminal investigation which will cost you considerably in time, inconvenience, and legal assistance.
__________________
cjsfsm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 11:18   #44
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,040
Images: 1
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cjsfsm View Post
I would only add that if you can make no radio contact, you should deploy EPRIB.
Use your sat phone to contact an RCC. They can arrange for a rendezvous with one of the AMVER volunteer vessels.

This process works well.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 15:12   #45
Registered User
 
micah719's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Somewhere in Germany
Boat: OEM, proportional
Posts: 1,436
Re: What to do - crew dies at sea?

Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pinguino View Post
If you really think that you should keep the body on board and also have a freezer (common I believe on many cruising boats these days) then the answer is simple... just dismember the body and stow it in the freezer. At least nobody can accuse you of throwing them overboard...
Surely you jest?
__________________

__________________
Ps 139:9-10 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
micah719 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
crew

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Andrew Wall Dies Suddenly GordMay Cruising News & Events 6 09-09-2010 07:42
Sea Lion Dies of Sex Exhaustion yottiejohn Off Topic Forum 3 26-07-2009 00:18
Bud Browne, Father of Surf-Film Genre, Dies at 96 TaoJones Fishing, Recreation & Fun 1 31-07-2008 05:57
ENGINE DIES WITH WHITE SMOKE PERIODICALLY flicka Engines and Propulsion Systems 40 12-07-2008 09:16
Engine Dies... drh1965 Engines and Propulsion Systems 19 01-04-2008 12:27



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:38.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.