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Old 11-04-2015, 01:24   #151
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Actually, I think the Greeks were around 800years BC, whereas the Vikings were sailing in the Middle Ages, around 800AD, while New Zealand, the last 'discovered' Pacific island was settled about 1000 years ago, so presumably their nav tech had been developing over the thousands of years the Pacific was being settled. So Greeks after Egyptians, then Vikings and Polynesians around the same time, with the Polynesians continuing up until the modern age.


Well the Polynesians were in Paupa New Guinea at least 6000 years ago.
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I don't really have an opinion on whether or not the evolution of sailors, sailing and sail tech is either a good or a bad thing.
I find that a little hard to believe! Surely everyone here does. You must have some feelings one way or the other.

I think it's a positive thing personally.
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Nah, no Polynesians in New Guinea, they're Melanesians. Ancestors of Polynesians.

when the Indo-Papua chain was still a land bridge all the way to Oz (given as up around 7000years ago) they could walk to Port Moresby from Malaysia.

Some time after the Ice Age ended and the seas rose, the Polynesians began charting their courses across the Pacific and settling the islands that had always been islands.

Anthropologists now accept that the last of these to be settled was New Zealand around 1000 years ago.

I tend to agree that the evolution of nav tech and sailing in general has been a good thing, but it appeared others were saying the opposite.

Frankly, I'll take an iPad and an ice-filled G&T over rum, sodomy and the lash ANY day..!!
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Actually between Ug the Caveman and Cook there were many fine sailors by anyone's standard. Some probably much better than Cook, considering their lack of chronometers, etc. One named Magellan comes to mind.

To me Cook's greatness lies not so much in his seamanship as in his scientific accomplishments and in the fact that he represents a change in mentality from purely commercial goals to mostly scientific ones, although of course he was secretly charged with all kind of spying and comm'l missions by the Crown. And Darwin's Beagle expedition was really an extension of the exploration started by Cook.
LOL... were it not for a 'Schedule' Australia might have been like Brasil.. a Portuguese speaking Nation.. colonised before Cook even dreamed of the S. Pacific..
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Nah, no Polynesians in New Guinea, they're Melanesians. Ancestors of Polynesians.

when the Indo-Papua chain was still a land bridge all the way to Oz (given as up around 7000years ago) they could walk to Port Moresby from Malaysia.

Some time after the Ice Age ended and the seas rose, the Polynesians began charting their courses across the Pacific and settling the islands that had always been islands.

Anthropologists now accept that the last of these to be settled was New Zealand around 1000 years ago.
They'd reached Tahiti by 300 BC, and Hawaii by 300 AD, so I think they've got the Vikings pretty handily beaten.
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Yeah, I don't think of it so much as a 'contest' in which one 'side' or the other gets 'beaten'. Historically, the Polynesians may have been crossing the Pacific before the Norsemen invaded Greenland and the Americas, but I'm betting they used similar star following and wave pattern navigation techniques.

It's more like what the anthropologists call convergent evolution - where different populations of the same species develop similar characteristics (or skills) in geographically separated areas.

It's not totally inconceivable that the Polynesians taught the Vikings to navigate, but I haven't seen too many dark-skinned navigators or warriors in Vikings.

Perhaps that'll be in the next series.....????

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