Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 21-08-2016, 08:38   #31
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 16,797
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Re watermaker water: I do not think it needs any supplements. Having lived for 15 years on commercial RO water, I assume what you do not take in the liquid you take in food and that's that. Remember good RO water is radioactive and so you get an extra kick from the polonium plutonium thing.

Re higher (???) calorie intake while on the boat: only if you are a competitive (VOR, VD, Olympic, etc) sailor. The first factor is as we get older we need fewer calories. Most cruisers are getting older. The second factor is that land based calorie intake is by default at least 50% (often close to 100%) over our actual needs. And boat life is 99% sedentary. So I think other than VERY active shore exploration (climbing, sky-running, etc) our boat cal intake should be actually seriously reduced vs. our shore lives. Unless you want to end up just like nearly anybody else does today. Obese.

Cheers,
b.
__________________

__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 08:45   #32
Registered User
 
Kreef's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 83
Send a message via Skype™ to Kreef
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
You heard wrong. Distilled water doesn't have minerals. Watermaker product water does... it's not the same as distilled water. Ours tested 185ppm this morning. But that doesn't even matter for the sake of argument, we get plenty of minerals via the food we eat.

But you will need to brush your teeth with a flouride toothpaste, otherwise you'll get cavities.
OOPS IC fluoride toothpaste mentioned .Fluoride is a known toxin and should not be ingested although of course it is used by most but not all countries for water purification it is not a wise move.I brush my teeth with a mixture of baking soda and good old desert salt from the Kalahari.
So no commercial toothpastes for me anymore.
Oh and it is a cheaper way of keeping those whites clean.
__________________

__________________
happy on the sea
Kreef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 09:07   #33
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Switzerland
Boat: Outbound 46 -Callisto
Posts: 133
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

In the Caribbean, just eating what the locals eat is a guarantee of good health. Excellent fruits, tasty seafood, "provisions" for a dose of carbs. Most islands have an excellent market at least a couple of days a week.
__________________
DMCantor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 09:24   #34
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 7,549
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreef View Post
IC U R using olive oil for frying!!That's a definite NO NO NO just google it and see what I am talking about.Far Far better to use a mixture of 2/3 coconut oil and 1/3 organic butter as a frying oil as it does not become toxic on heating and things you fry will not stick to the pan .Make sure your pan is not one coated with black non stick Teflon I think it is called as this is carcinogenic .
As to the question of a healthy diet at sea make up as needed for a trip one liter sealable glass jars of fermented vegetables which will give you a very good gut flora.Do read up on the importance of having a healthy gut some amazing new discoveries of how important it is in having an all round healthy body which may and should in fact improve your overall health which sounds like it needs improving.All details of preparation of fermented vegetables is to be found online of course.Oh and do take a daily dose of KRILL OIL which has been found to be the best of all anti oxidants.A multi vitamin is also not a bad idea.
Dr Mercola has some amazing advice on staying fit and eating right .You can get a daily health newsletter from him for free by going online and registering for it.
All the best.
More B.S.

People into all the health food crappola, believe they're earning more years by depriving themselves of tasty food and desserts. All they're really doing is buying themselves more years sitting around wearing adult diapers.

Think about it, it's absolutely true. Even if you get the extra years, it's on the wrong end.

How do I know this you may ask? Just a few years ago I was one of the fastest track cyclists in the world, and I didn't get there by eating a crappy diet and supplementing it with worthless suppliments being sold by modern day snake oil salesmen. Jump ahead four years, and now I work six months per year as a nurse in a psychiatric dementia unit.... those extra final years aren't so pretty.

Just eat a balanced diet, get some daily exercise and forget about he rest. Save your money, eat some dessert, have a beer and go cruising. Then sit back and laugh at all the fools buying themselves more time in diapers.
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 09:51   #35
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,814
Images: 25
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post

How do I know this you may ask? Just a few years ago I was one of the fastest track cyclists in the world, and I didn't get there by eating a crappy diet ....
Well, actually, the days of carb loading in pro athletes has passed.

Google up Professor Tim Noakes the south African who wrote a book on carb loading for runners, and the way he now advocated low carb for, yes, cyclists as well as runners.

Science is moving fast whilst you lick the gelato.

Yes, olive oil shouldn't be heated very much at all, but should be on every cold dish (except gelato). Fry with coconut oil, avocado oil or butter.

-- by the way I do agree that ditching the pleasures of life in crazy. I drink my beer, you have your ice cream

Mark
__________________
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 10:01   #36
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 7,549
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
Well, actually, the days of carb loading in pro athletes has passed.

Google up Professor Tim Noakes the south African who wrote a book on carb loading for runners, and the way he now advocated low carb for, yes, cyclists as well as runners.

Science is moving fast whilst you lick the gelato.

Yes, olive oil shouldn't be heated very much at all, but should be on every cold dish (except gelato). Fry with coconut oil, avocado oil or butter.

-- by the way I do agree that ditching the pleasures of life in crazy. I drink my beer, you have your ice cream

Mark
Mark,

I don't remember mentioning or ever doing any carb loading. I guess I was ahead of my time. I'm usually on more of an Atkins type diet, but when I used to compete, carbs were an absolute necessity in order to ride a bike 50-100 miles per day.

Ken
__________________
Kenomac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 10:06   #37
Registered User
 
Sea Dreaming's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Whoo! Finally made it back to Mexico!
Boat: Cheoy Lee Offshore 38
Posts: 1,450
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

All I know is that I feel better on my keto diet. Is that "nutty"? I may or may not be buying more time in diapers, but while I am active I simply feel better. WAY better. Thats enough for me. Isnt that the point anyway? To make your best years the best they can be? Ill take feeling really good over a short pleasure bowl of ice cream any day!
__________________
If toast always lands butter side down, and cats always land on their feet, what would happen if you strapped toast to a cat's back and dropped it? - Steven Wright
Sea Dreaming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 10:32   #38
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 37
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac View Post
More B.S.

People into all the health food crappola, believe they're earning more years by depriving themselves of tasty food and desserts. All they're really doing is buying themselves more years sitting around wearing adult diapers.

Think about it, it's absolutely true. Even if you get the extra years, it's on the wrong end.

How do I know this you may ask? Just a few years ago I was one of the fastest track cyclists in the world, and I didn't get there by eating a crappy diet and supplementing it with worthless suppliments being sold by modern day snake oil salesmen. Jump ahead four years, and now I work six months per year as a nurse in a psychiatric dementia unit.... those extra final years aren't so pretty.

Just eat a balanced diet, get some daily exercise and forget about he rest. Save your money, eat some dessert, have a beer and go cruising. Then sit back and laugh at all the fools buying themselves more time in diapers.
Ahhh, the truly uneducated pontificating 'his' truth. Do some homework.
On the other hand don't bother, you'd have to unlearn all the crap you already 'know about health.'
__________________
Trust your heart if the seas catch fire, live by love though the stars walk backward.
e.e. cummings
SeeLevel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 10:56   #39
Senior Cruiser
 
Minggat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Hawaii, South Pacific bound
Boat: Islander 36
Posts: 1,216
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

I am fair skinned. I have sunburned way too many times in my life.
Wouldn't be without my astaxathin 12 mg now. The 4 mg did nothing for me.

All too often I have been stuck in places where I didn't want to run my water maker, much less jump in and swim.
__________________
Minggat
Minggat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 11:16   #40
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: On board
Boat: Knysna 480
Posts: 34
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

I have a TRX hanging off my mast. Dumbells that keep me occupied during long passages.
I use supplements...a good multivitamin...actually called Ultranutrients...by Pur Encapsulations....perhaps the best and most ethical supplement manufacturer. Remember, supplements are neither food nor drugs...no government regulation...and many contain nothing near what they say.
Also, what are they called? Supplements....eat well and you don't need them.
__________________
Sailingveterinarian is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 11:20   #41
Registered User
 
GoingWalkabout's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Boat: In the market for a Lagoon 56 (seems like the perfect fit)
Posts: 1,461
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

I am one for a "balanced" diet. I do know personally that dramatic weight loss can be had using a low carb, such as dropping bread and pasta, combined with exercise, sheds the pounds.

Once at your ideal body weight, maintains a healthy equilibrium is really not so difficult.

The reason why I asked about supplements for sailors is the long passages where fresh fruit and vegetables be hard to come by. But then you have amazing fruits on Islands that have astounding health properties. I remember when I was in Haiti during the earthquake devastation spending times in the mountains. The healthy locals ate amazing fruits. Some of which I had never heard of that apparently had a huge impact on the autoimmune system. Full of antioxidants and other properties. Well at least according to a local physician who I discussed this subject with.

Kemoc. I salute you for the work you do as a nurse. Not easy. Particularly dealing with demented adults in diapers. However I don't think the end of life problems you are dealing with is an argument against doing what one can to extend ones life. There is evidence that some dementia is a result of fatty deposit build up in the brain.

I take pro biotics, multuvitamins, mega vitamin D etc. By the way even mainstream medicine is recognizing the cancer fighting properties of vitamin D.

One poster mentioned that in the most part, sailing is sedentary. I've been looking at some small sized and foldable exercise machines/aids to have on board the cat. Apart from anything else, during long passages hitting a foldable exercise bike for an hour or two could help breaking the monotony of the journey.

I have seen how some sailors run whenever they hit land for exercise. I know others have foldable bikes.

What I'm interested in is the different exercise strategies various sailors have. Do they have a daily exercise regime. Or do the ones who exercise do it when at port.

What do sailors do when say doing a cross Atlantic sail about fresh fruits and vegetables. I would think by the 3rd week these things won't be fresh.

I am getting healthier following nearly not making it. I intend to do all things to see that I stick around as long as I can and enjoy my life to the fullest sailing the deep blue.

Anyway. Thanks for everyone's thoughts. One thing is clear. If you use your own elbow grease rather than hiring people there are many opportunities exercise afloat.
__________________
GoingWalkabout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 11:31   #42
Registered User
 
GoingWalkabout's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Boat: In the market for a Lagoon 56 (seems like the perfect fit)
Posts: 1,461
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minggat View Post
I am fair skinned. I have sunburned way too many times in my life.
Wouldn't be without my astaxathin 12 mg now. The 4 mg did nothing for me.

All too often I have been stuck in places where I didn't want to run my water maker, much less jump in and swim.
Are there any side effects in using astaxathin? Does it help in non fair skinned from sunburn? Has it affected your pigmentation? Do you get blood tests particularly looking at your liver and kidney function? Or is this medicine completely non toxic?

I understand well about not wanting to jump into the water everywhere you park your boat. This is one of the reasons I'm looking at ideas on exercise equipment onboard.

Thanks for sharing.
__________________
GoingWalkabout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 11:35   #43
Registered User
 
GoingWalkabout's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: USA & Argentina
Boat: In the market for a Lagoon 56 (seems like the perfect fit)
Posts: 1,461
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailingveterinarian View Post
I have a TRX hanging off my mast. Dumbells that keep me occupied during long passages.
I use supplements...a good multivitamin...actually called Ultranutrients...by Pur Encapsulations....perhaps the best and most ethical supplement manufacturer. Remember, supplements are neither food nor drugs...no government regulation...and many contain nothing near what they say.
Also, what are they called? Supplements....eat well and you don't need them.
Thanks for the heads up on the multivitamin. I'm going to Google the company. Thanks.
__________________
GoingWalkabout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 12:36   #44
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,814
Images: 25
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

GW
Re passages 3 weeks or more...

Yes fruit & veg don't last that long (waiting with baited breath for 46 zealots to say the keep lettuce for 6 years fresh).
But it doesn't matter because the worlds longest NORMAL passages (waiting again for zealots...) is 30 days aprox.
So between the time your green stuff runs out and port is only gunna be max 2 weeks. You can eat *anything* for 2 weeks and still come up roses.

So yes take can/tins whatever you call them.

Whilst in port its different. Buy what you want.

After answering a question asking is water is available in the Caribbean, let me just mention this: in my 8 years cruising EVERY port, I mean EVERY PORT you can make landfall has had copious supplies of
Meat
Fruit
Vegetables
Water
Toilet paper
Chocolate
Ice cream
Toothpaste
Pharmacies/Doctors
even specialist vitamin shops
Diesel and petrol
Propane gas
Inflatable women



That's every port you will make landfall.
__________________
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-08-2016, 12:50   #45
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 16,797
Re: Supplements, health foods and exercise strategies for cruisers

It is not the toothpaste that takes care of the teeth, it is the brush.

The idea is to remove any food residuals. Your teeth are protected by the natural chemistry of your mouth cavity. Until you put a spoonful of sugar in it, of course.

BTW To do any harm to your health (with e.g. fluoride) you would have to eat the toothpaste. This is not how normal people use it though.

If still too scared to avoid hefty dentist bills (as well as a large dose of non-pecuniary pain) use Elmex. It contains N'-octadecyltrimethylendiamine-N,N,N'- tris(2-ethanol)-dihydrofluoride. Much less risk as indicated by much longer name.

Cheers,
b.
__________________

__________________
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cruise, cruiser, food, health, men

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oz health and welfare benefits for cruisers mausgras Liveaboard's Forum 7 05-11-2013 18:29
Cats on Board Are Bored and Need Exercise Weehappy Families, Kids and Pets Afloat 28 18-04-2011 22:53
Aerobic Exercise jdm General Sailing Forum 11 11-04-2005 16:44


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:41.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.