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Old 05-09-2015, 00:27   #16
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I had not heard of it before until you posted. It is intriguing based on the wiki article. It looks like the authorities did a thorough task in investigating it thought. no doubt in the end just one mistake after another.
Here is a old CF thread on Kaz II.
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Here is a old CF thread on Kaz II.
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I had forgotten about that incident but can now recall video on TV of the Cat.
Just read the old thread and surprised no mention of drug deal gone bad which would be my thoughts with the fenders out.
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Sad news indeed...
My condolences to family and friends..
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Old 05-09-2015, 15:29   #19
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I had forgotten about that incident but can now recall video on TV of the Cat.
Just read the old thread and surprised no mention of drug deal gone bad which would be my thoughts with the fenders out.
Omg, learn something new everyday. Putting fenders out is a sign of a drug dealer

And there was me thinking they were to protect me boat when coming aside
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Omg, learn something new everyday. Putting fenders out is a sign of a drug dealer

And there was me thinking they were to protect me boat when coming aside
Yes I totally agree with your comment on the fenders that's why I made the drug comment.
The area they were in other than another boat alongside there is absolutely no other reason to have them out.
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Re: Sad news from Australian East Coast

Having just read that other thread one of the posters who is a regular to this day summed up that entire thread once the coroners report came out, 'not a great day in his cruising life that he had participated in such ridiculous speculation at the expense of other sailors' (not word for word).

Two men have unfortunately lost their lives. Two sailing brethren to us all. Members of the club of sailors. Can this time we perhaps not let the thread dissolve into conspiracies but just sympathise with the family and friends and only report on 'facts' as they become known.
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Sad story. Sometimes, it feels that the east coast of Australia is the new Bermuda Triangle. The Kaz II story has always intrigued me. Very odd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaz_II


Then there's the 1928 Schooner "Nina".
Kaz II is a Mystery.

Nina isn't, and didn't happen in Australian waters.

I don't think this will turn out to be a mystery either. Very sad for the families though.
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Kaz II is a Mystery.

Nina isn't, and didn't happen in Australian waters.

I don't think this will turn out to be a mystery either. Very sad for the families though.
Kaz 2 isn't a mystery. It was an unfortunate incident that led to three men going missing. The exact circumstances of how they fell over is conjecture, but it was pretty clear there was no foul play and equally clear an accident occurred.

Nina went missing in a storm. No real mystery there either.
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No extreme winds at the time of the disappearance, but I do recall strong S to SW gusts around that time, however Stockton Bight is a notoriously shallow, and barren part of the coastline.
You virtually need to sail due east from Newcastle to avoid the shallow areas, that extend a surprisingly long distance offshore. Wind against the EAC could of developed steep seas quickly in that area.
Very, very sad indeed.
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Possibly encountered a spot of strong east coast current (northerly) set against southerly weather???

But hard to imagine that would cause sudden sinking but might cause MOB.
If it was a MOB, & the dinghy was launched to aid retreival, you would probably expect the yacht to remain floating & washed up somewhere??
The yacht has, as yet not been found....
If you hear of any further news Wotname or anyone else, please let us know.
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Re: Sad news from Australian East Coast

TH, thanks for the local perspective.

Yes, finding the yacht or it's wreckage will be very beneficial is knowing what may have happened and thus (perhaps) learning from this sad occurrence.
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I had forgotten about that incident but can now recall video on TV of the Cat.
Just read the old thread and surprised no mention of drug deal gone bad which would be my thoughts with the fenders out.
Here you go then:
Yachtsmen 'died in freak accident'
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Kaz 2 isn't a mystery. It was an unfortunate incident that led to three men going missing. The exact circumstances of how they fell over is conjecture, but it was pretty clear there was no foul play and equally clear an accident occurred.

Nina went missing in a storm. No real mystery there either.

What are you talking about? Kaz II sure IS a mystery. Fenders deployed (as if another vessel tied up), 3 men missing, no report of heavy seas. The list of odd details related to the Kaz II mystery is extensive. Salon details, cockpit details, etc.

Last report from the Nina was "running under bare poles", so we can imagine the fun night they were having. The old wooden hull probably just gave up the ghost under heavy seas. It happens.
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What are you talking about? Kaz II sure IS a mystery. Fenders deployed (as if another vessel tied up), 3 men missing, no report of heavy seas. The list of odd details related to the Kaz II mystery is extensive. Salon details, cockpit details, etc.

Last report from the Nina was "running under bare poles", so we can imagine the fun night they were having. The old wooden hull probably just gave up the ghost under heavy seas. It happens.
If you read the coroners report and even that thread you suggested, then NO, there is no mystery.

The Fenders being deployed is nothing special and it does not just mean a vessel tied up at all. On any given weekend, have a look at how many vessels sail around on Sydney harbour with their fenders deployed? Hell, I don't bother bringing them in most of the time, or I just lay them on deck. In any case, fenders don't mean a conspiracy.

Lack of heavy seas was a fact, it doesn't add to a mystery..

All of this has been done to death, there has been a coroners inquest. There's no mystery. They fell off.. simple. No mysterious or suspicious circumstances. The exact sequence of events and circumstances we don't know. But it was simply an unfortunate accident that's all.
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If you read the coroners report and even that thread you suggested, then NO, there is no mystery.

The Fenders being deployed is nothing special and it does not just mean a vessel tied up at all. On any given weekend, have a look at how many vessels sail around on Sydney harbour with their fenders deployed? Hell, I don't bother bringing them in most of the time, or I just lay them on deck. In any case, fenders don't mean a conspiracy.

Lack of heavy seas was a fact, it doesn't add to a mystery..

All of this has been done to death, there has been a coroners inquest. There's no mystery. They fell off.. simple. No mysterious or suspicious circumstances. The exact sequence of events and circumstances we don't know. But it was simply an unfortunate accident that's all.
Au contraire, mon ami. How can you have a TRUE 'coroners report' with no bodies?

Sure, maybe all three went over in some freak accident, yet it's still just a guess at this point, and will probably remain so. Thus, a "mystery" as to what actually happened.

Fenders deployed near harbor is understandable, yet they were many nautical miles up the coast from their departure point. Some local sailors have mentioned that they were 'novice' sailors, so maybe they just never got around to stowing the fenders.

Personally, I say "alien abduction", drug deal gone bad, or well-planned disappearance to a secret jungle 'clothing optional' sex commune.
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