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Old 21-09-2013, 17:55   #46
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To be accurate, that wasn't Greenpeace that was Sea Shepard. Paul Watson used to be with Greenpeace , but he didn't think they were radical enough.
AVB--- I was addressing the organization not the vessel or is Sea Shepard now an organization?

EDIT: You are right, just did a Google. They are an org.
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AVB--- I was addressing the organization not the vessel or is Sea Shepard now an organization?
Yup... Been one for a couple of decades now.
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A toast for the pirates that are Greenpeace! Long may they pillage and plunder !
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Not all agree that fracking is a disaster other than as environmentalists proclaim! The so called methane pollution caused by drilling was just dismissed by the EPA of all people! From the WSJ article this week.... I get the paper:

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PITTSBURGH The Environmental Protection Agency has dramatically lowered its estimate of how much of a potent heat-trapping gas leaks during natural gas production, in a shift with major implications for a debate that has divided environmentalists: Does the recent boom in fracking help or hurt the fight against climate change?

Oil and gas drilling companies had pushed for the change, but there have been differing scientific estimates of the amount of methane that leaks from wells, pipelines and other facilities during production and delivery. Methane is the main component of natural gas. "

Now as to whales! I do not give a damn about the Japanese taking whales for food. It was OK for our country to decimate the whale population to near extinction in the 19 and early 20th century. But I do care about pirates and that category fits Greenpiece.

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Dude!!!...It's the ground water contamination. The pump all kinds of nasty $&*t down deep and a lot of it ends up in the ground water. Locals in these areas can no longer drink or even bathe in there water. But of course the companies are challenging the blue-collars to prove it...Business as usual.
Let me see if I have your thinking straight...because we hunted whales to extinction 50-200 years ago, then stopped due to environmentalist pressures, it's ok for Japan to hunt them now.
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A toast for the pirates that are Greenpeace! Long may they pillage and plunder !

NOW, NOW, NOW.... THEY DON'T NEED THAT KIND OF SUPPORT!
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Dude!!!...It's the ground water contamination. The pump all kinds of nasty $&*t down deep and a lot of it ends up in the ground water. Locals in these areas can no longer drink or even bathe in there water. But of course the companies are challenging the blue-collars to prove it...Business as usual.
Let me see if I have your thinking straight...because we hunted whales to extinction 50-200 years ago, then stopped due to environmentalist pressures, it's ok for Japan to hunt them now.

HEY DUUUDE, you're only reading what supports your environmental conviction. Get real!
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HEY DUUUDE, you're only reading what supports your environmental conviction. Get real!
Never underestimate the power of denial. Besides this is major thread drift anyways. Thanks for reconfirming my suspicions about power boaters
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Never underestimate the power of denial. Besides this is major thread drift anyways. Thanks for reconfirming my suspicions about power boaters

Denial hell!!!!

DUDE!

There were some who challenged drilling in Pennsylvania claiming methane got into their wells. That for the most part was disproven although there was some evidence in a few areas where the concrete seal on the well heads could have leaked.

The drilling industry has taken strong steps to ensure their well heads are properly sealed. Spend more time getting facts instead of mouthing loud opinions.

And as to your comment on whales..... why hunting for them stopped in this country. NO, the whackies had nothing to do with stopping whale hunting years ago. IT WAS THE OIL INDUSTRY PRODUCTION OF OILS SUCH AS KEROSENE FOR LAMPS that undersold expensive whale oil. And if you're going to quote my posts, learn to quote correctly.
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The World Wildlife Fund is very effective in campaigning for environmental action without getting involved in this type of publicity stunt.
publicity stunt = civil disobedience

Ever hear of the Boston Tea Party? or was that just another "publicity stunt" going beyond the legal boundaries of a sovereign nation.

These GP actors should be supported for their efforts. Particularly by boaters who should understand what is happening to our oceans.

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Spend more time getting facts instead of mouthing loud opinions.

And as to your comment on whales..... why hunting for them stopped in this country. NO, the whackies had nothing to do with stopping whale hunting years ago. IT WAS THE OIL INDUSTRY PRODUCTION OF OILS SUCH AS KEROSENE FOR LAMPS that undersold expensive whale oil. And if you're going to quote my posts, learn to quote correctly.
Facts?...sure no problem.

Natural Gas Drilling: Impacts of Fracking on Health, Water | NRDC

Why Ban Fracking? | Food & Water Watch

Gasland 2: A film by Josh Fox - NOW on HBO

Is Fracking Safe? The Top 10 Myths About Natural Gas Drilling - Popular Mechanics

Why is fracking dangerous? | Metro News

The Dangers of Fracking: New Study Finds High Levels of Arsenic

Wrecking the Earth: Fracking has grave radiation risks few talk about ? RT Op-Edge

NY Times on natural gas fracking: "The dangers to the environment and health are greater than previously understood." | ThinkProgress

http://www.mycentraljersey.com/artic...ral-gas-supply

4 Horrifying Dangers of Fracking | Alternet

Ok...Now for the whale claim...From Wiki...

Modern whaling

Whale oil is little used today[6] and modern commercial whaling is done for food. The primary species hunted are the common minke whale and Antarctic minke whale, two of the smallest species of baleen whales. Recent scientific surveys estimate a population of 103,000 in the northeast Atlantic. With respect to the populations of Antarctic minke whales, as of January 2010, the IWC states that it is "unable to provide reliable estimates at the present time" and that a "major review is underway by the Scientific Committee."[7]
International cooperation on whaling regulation began in 1931 and culminated in the signing of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) in 1946. Its aim is to:
provide for the proper conservation of whale stocks and thus make possible the orderly development of the whaling industry.[8] The International Whaling Commission (IWC) was set up under the ICRW to decide hunting quotas and other relevant matters based on the findings of its Scientific Committee. Non-member countries are not bound by its regulations and conduct their own management programs.
The IWC voted on July 23, 1982, to establish a moratorium on commercial whaling beginning in the 198586 season. Since 1992, the IWC's Scientific Committee has requested that it be allowed to give quota proposals for some whale stocks, but this has so far been refused by the Plenary Committee.




Why Do the Japanese Hunt Whales? : Whale Wars: Animal Planet

So please...If you can turn off the re-runs of the "Dukes of Hazard" for a moment, I would love to see your.."facts". Because all I have seen is your opinions.
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Denial hell!!!!

DUDE!

There were some who challenged drilling in Pennsylvania claiming methane got into their wells. That for the most part was disproven although there was some evidence in a few areas where the concrete seal on the well heads could have leaked.

The drilling industry has taken strong steps to ensure their well heads are properly sealed. Spend more time getting facts instead of mouthing loud opinions.

And as to your comment on whales..... why hunting for them stopped in this country. NO, the whackies had nothing to do with stopping whale hunting years ago. IT WAS THE OIL INDUSTRY PRODUCTION OF OILS SUCH AS KEROSENE FOR LAMPS that undersold expensive whale oil. And if you're going to quote my posts, learn to quote correctly.
Yes it seems leakage from well heads has been held to a minimum but I am afraid the jury is still out as to other areas of methane leaks. Fracking is by no means a proven safe technology. For instance sequestering and or recycling million gallons of water may still offer a difficult environmental problem. Particularly in areas of the country which DESPERATELY need water.

As far as whales go it IS largely the environmental movement that has halted whale farming in the US and is focusing on same in Japan. There is a reason we we don't wish to annihilate species even though we find them valuable to kill and eat.

There is also a good reason why we don't want drilling in hard to protect waters when there are alternatives. Kudos to GP.

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Looks like celestial sailor beat me to it - good job - and quick too!

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It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Greenpease is claiming they were in international waters and the appropriate distance from the rig. Hmmm....
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Yes it seems leakage from well heads has been held to a minimum but I am afraid the jury is still out as to other areas of methane leaks. Fracking is by no means a proven safe technology. For instance sequestering and or recycling million gallons of water may still offer a difficult environmental problem. Particularly in areas of the country which DESPERATELY need water.

As far as whales go it IS largely the environmental movement that has halted whale farming in the US and is focusing on same in Japan. There is a reason we we don't wish to annihilate species even though we find them valuable to kill and eat.

There is also a good reason why we don't want drilling in hard to protect waters when there are alternatives. Kudos to GP.

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Whale farming in the US?

Where?

Citations please.
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Whale farming in the US?

Where?

Citations please.
Im certain he meant "harvesting" ,to think that he meant whale aquaculture is absurd...
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