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Old 28-03-2019, 22:45   #106
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I'm a recent British refugee, now American citizen ~15 yrs or so. I suspect much of the recent political furor may be due to us electing the most brilliant leader the world has ever seen. I sense that much of the rest of the world is very envious, or hopelessly mental.

It is with dismay that I watch the U.K. circling the drain. Not only do they need out of the E.U., they also need to rid themselves of their own dystopian government and shadow government.
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Gun ownership has everything to do with freedom.
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I think what may help the thread NOT get closed down is to keep the discussion confined to whether or not politics of whatever stripe is appropriate in CF threads and under what circumstances. Weavis laid that out quite well I thought. I imagine that as soon as the discussion morphs into actual political advocacy on one side or the other -- especially on a hot topic such as guns -- people will start complaining and the thread will get closed.

Just a hunch . . .
Why would the thread get closed because the topic of guns comes up? People need to be less sensitive, or stay off the internet and retreat to their safe space. It appears to me that some would like to restrict freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
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Why would the thread get closed because the topic of guns comes up? People need to be less sensitive, or stay off the internet and retreat to their safe space. It appears to me that some would like to restrict freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
Because of posts like these.

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It is with dismay that I watch the U.K. circling the drain. Not only do they need out of the E.U., they also need to rid themselves of their own dystopian government and shadow government.
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Why would the thread get closed because the topic of guns comes up? People need to be less sensitive, or stay off the internet and retreat to their safe space. It appears to me that some would like to restrict freedom of speech and freedom of thought.
I agree with you entirely, but it's not up to me or to you. CF is a privately owned forum and so the owners set the rules and the (all-volunteer) moderators have to figure out how best to fairly enforce them. The gun issue is one which has created a lot of discord in past threads, something the mods strive to avoid. So as Weavis explained awhile back, it's less about the topic itself and more about the complaints & discord the topic creates, justifiably or not. That's my understanding anyway.
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Because of posts like these.
Wrong. I highly doubt the mods make thread closure decisions based on their own personal judgments of the content of what's being discussed. It's about whether the discussion devolves into personal insults, discord, and complaints, regardless of the topic. This particular thread discussion is about whether politics has a place on CF, not what jefffay's or your position on any particular political issue happens to be.
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Oh come on folks. Donít take the bait. The best way to respond to a troll is donít.
And I, and by extension, the mods... are the ones that have to have the fire hoses ready when it starts.........

"It is possible to discuss difficult topics civilly and without personal insult. But as with everything we humans do, it takes time and experience to learn these skills. I strongly believe in the ďbe niceĒ principle, and completely support strong moderation on these grounds. But by making some topics completely forbidden, I think it doesnít allow the community to grow and manage normally ó as any community does." Mikey O.

Er.. with respect...... times have changed, and we (CF) DONT have the luxury of being a social sandbox and wait for the community to "grow"... its not our role. Any mod or group of mods over the years face the same challenges of rudeness. aggressiveness, insults etc from people who are not here for the long haul, and whose sole purpose is to express THEIR opinion and then toddle off into sunset when someone contradicts it, leaving a wake of debris and hurt feelings.

Already this thread has several contentious posts that will tee off many if they are not current government lovers.

We stick hard and fast to the "Be nice" rule. Through years of experience we can tell you what works for CF and what does not. A gun forum was started to cater for enthusiasts..... members did not avail themselves of it and prefered to insert their views and opinions within public threads and cause mayhem.

CF is a boating community. Leaving certain subject out of the mix as a TOPIC is beneficial to the site overall because many are unable to understand that their views are not always acceptable to "others." and "others" will push back and before you know it.... the be nice rule is violated.

I tend to stick the maxim as observed by Groucho Marx. "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies."

My nautical knowledge has grown phenomenally in the last few years through membership of this site... my political understanding and views.. not so much.

I would vote to keep the unique and specialist nature of CF to the fore.

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my 2 ct.

Everything we do, everywhere we go we are subject to politics, it starts with setting the Q flag... We all come from a country, what is a political entity and must obey to what a political group has decided for us.

In some countries there is free speech, in most not. And among them are the so called developed ones including the EU. There are the freedoms of movement, trade and employment, but no freedom of speach.

Americans are in a slightly better position but are slowly deprived by there rights too. We are all affected by politics and are interested and curious in the unfiltered opinions of other people whithout the moderation and selection of the press.

I like it to read and see what Americans are passioned about, what matters to them, as I hope they are interested about what happens in Europe or Asia and all the other parts of the world. It is simply inpossible to take politics out of the conversation, because it affects all aspects of our life and defines what we can do and where we can go.

I find it very refreshing to be able to see the other side, when watching the news here, there is a clown in the WH making no politics trying to take our money for guns and Democrats that save the country and the peace of the world, and btw. russia has caused the Brexit, a referendum and asking the people about the EU is a bad thing and should never happen, but we need another one, and if necessary 2, 3 or as many it takes until the old brits die and the youth wotes for remain.

There is no reporting about the achievements of the Trump administration, nor about the reasons why the Brits want to break free and see the EU as an undemocratic institution.

People who love their country are nationalists and populists and should be silenced, mmgw is real and cars must be forbidden, plastic and lightbulbs too, the internet must be regulated, there is a new intelectual property enforcement law that allows governmental enforcement of filtering of content - another mean of censorship. Many YT videos are just blacked out because of copyright issues in the EU.

Public places where opinions are shared are controlled now. Facebook, Twitter are censored, even private groups in messemgers like WhatsApp are monitored. We are in a world that is over politicised and the elites take daily more rights from us by every new law and regulation.

Sharing opinions and discussing views makes us all understanding the other side and finaly making educated decissions at the ballot box, affecting all of us in the future.

I like the contributions of our friends from the USA, it helps me to understand what is going on and pick a side.
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Sharing opinions and discussing views makes us all understanding the other side and finaly making educated decissions at the ballot box, affecting all of us in the future.

I like the contributions of our friends from the USA, it helps me to understand what is going on and pick a side.
There are plenty of sites on the internet to cater for that.

To restate: CF is a sailing forum. A privately owned specialist site to learn about matters boating. It is a respite from the things going on in the world. It is NOT a censorship site.

We accept commentary political regarding events and rulings pertaining to boating issues or situations...... we do NOT cater for political OPINION as a topic for discussion.

55000 members come here overall for the specialist nature of the site.
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There are plenty of sites on the internet to cater for that.

To restate: CF is a sailing forum. A privately owned specialist site to learn about matters boating. It is a respite from the things going on in the world. It is NOT a censorship site.

We accept commentary political regarding events and rulings pertaining to boating issues or situations...... we do NOT cater for political OPINION as a topic for discussion.

55000 members come here overall for the specialist nature of the site.
True, but politics is also cruising related, we deal daily with them and need to be prepared when entering a new territiory. Even technical discussions rely on political laws and regulations lic DIN ISO ANSI CE ABYC ...
Environmental regulations also differ based on politics, like scuba gear and spearfishing gear forbidden on the same vessel in Greece, ban of some antifouling in some areas, ban of 2 stroke engines, holding tank issues, composting toilets regulations and other fun facts.
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True, but politics is also cruising related, we deal daily with them and need to be prepared when entering a new territiory. Even technical discussions rely on political laws and regulations lic DIN ISO ANSI CE ABYC ...
Environmental regulations also differ based on politics, like scuba gear and spearfishing gear forbidden on the same vessel in Greece and other fun facts.
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We accept commentary political regarding events and rulings pertaining to boating issues or situations...... we do NOT cater for political OPINION as a topic for discussion.
I think I said that CAtNewBee
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So what do we think about the EU decision to make social media organizations responsible for policing copyright rule infractions made by users? I imagine this will have a significant effect on many web sites and social media platforms. We donít have published rules yet but it seems that, at least in the EU, the onus will be on the web site to surveil its users posts for copyrighted material and either pay the copyright holder or remove the copyrighted content.

The previous EU effort along these lines (GDPR) resulted in a bunch of nuisance pop-ups that give literally no option but to agree to give all your data up or not visit the web site. It had the exact opposite effect as what was intended (user choice in private data sharing). How will the big social media giants deal with copyrighted material.
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Note: this is not a religious post. I truly mean I agree.
Amen is not religious, it simply means , so be it !
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I'm a recent British refugee, now American citizen ~15 yrs or so. I suspect much of the recent political furor may be due to us electing the most brilliant leader the world has ever seen. I sense that much of the rest of the world is very envious, or hopelessly mental.

It is with dismay that I watch the U.K. circling the drain. Not only do they need out of the E.U., they also need to rid themselves of their own dystopian government and shadow government.
Hooray for your courage in ĒvoicingĒ your opinion. There is another faction that denies the truth.
I support Trump, and I donít need to apologize for it
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I haven't watched the US news in over four years, so yes it does bother me when people like to inject their political views into just about every discussion.
Ok Ken do you watch bbc reports on the US ? Lol
Or , what do you watch.
I donít watch any of it , as I donít own a television....
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