Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 23-01-2018, 11:10   #91
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 23,270
Images: 2
pirate Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikki S View Post
"new clothes only twice a year?......the heady days of consumerism a thing of the past?" Are you kidding. I have bought my 13 year old new clothes only twice in his life....and that was probably because i couldn't find a second hand school uniform that fit in time for school to start. my point is not to blow my my own bugel, (I like everyone in my town contribute to the problem because we are powerless to stop buying even our groceries packaged in plastics), but to point out that consumerism is not a thing of the past; That we are billions of people with very differing realities, views about what constitutes a lot of stuff, a lot of waste, and very different circumstances..... wish i had an ingenious solution
The section you quoted was from an article I copied and pasted..
I had to suffer the humiliation off tailored down corduroy Oxford Bags that were my fathers.. this in an age when Elvis was changing fashion with tight trousers and chisel toed Cuban heels..
__________________


Born To Be Wild.. Click on the picture.
boatman61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2018, 11:56   #92
Registered User

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Miami Florida
Boat: Ellis Flybridge 28
Posts: 3,477
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

One of our local waterfront restaurants has started an organization to get restaurants to stop using styrofoam to go packages. They are also switching to biodegradable soda straws. Itís a start.
__________________

__________________
Retired from Hopkins-Carter Marine Supplies
HopCar is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2018, 12:50   #93
Registered User
 
Cadence's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 7,645
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by HopCar View Post
One of our local waterfront restaurants has started an organization to get restaurants to stop using styrofoam to go packages. They are also switching to biodegradable soda straws. It’s a start.
It is a start however the problem is not necessarily with the end user. It may have sounded like a quip about recycling glass bottles, be it milk, soda or beer.
Milk in wax coated paper quarts, etc, etc.. it's apparently more cost effective to use oil, pollute the atmosphere to make not degradable plastic. I'm by no means a "tree hugger" but wake up kids. I'm pushing 75 so it's not going the affect me. Using plastic for durable goods is one thing. Using it for disposable items is another story.
Cadence is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2018, 12:52   #94
Registered User
 
Mike OReilly's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 5,808
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentePieds View Post
Thanx Gordon :-) Seeger was a man ahead of his time in so many respects.



Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentePieds View Post
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation's Marketplace show recently stated that the average Canadian adult buys SEVENTY "fast fashion" garments A MONTH! And that only 1% of ALL discarded textiles are recyclable in the sense Seeger means in the above lyrics. 70%, claims Marketplace, of articles placed in "recycling" receptacles in retail outlets, for what Marketplace calls the purpose of "green-washing", are exported to "third world countries", and that in Kenya, for one such, 40% of all discarded textiles, shipped there by "recyclers" in the employ of these "green-washing" retail organizations, are dumped in landfills because they are surplus to demand!
Actually, the story says 70 new items per year, but you’re absolutely right TP, it is crazy. I can’t even comprehend how people can go through that much clothes in year — heck, in a decade! I get the fact that if you’re working you need a larger wardrobe, but this amount is insane.

I was going to start a thread on this subject. As cruisers, we are quite limited in the amount of clothes we can carry. I don’t even own 70 individual items (I just counted, and got to about 40). And I have too much.

<iframe src="//www.cbc.ca/i/caffeine/syndicate/?mediaId=1140999747915" width="960" height="" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1140999747915/

It’s no wonder our global environment, including the oceans, are awash in our crap. But of course, this is but one example of the insane consumerism that now drives most Western economies.
__________________
Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG: www.helplink.com/CLAFC
Mike OReilly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2018, 17:00   #95
Moderator

Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 2,309
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

You are right Mike, it was 70 per YEAR. But that's better'n five a month, which blew my mind! I still darn socks as MySaintedMother taught me. I have Harris Tweed jackets ("accountant's uniform") that are forty years old, still fit, and still look perfectly respectable. Brogues that are certainly 20 years old, and likewise perfectly respectable. I sometimes wear a sixpenny cap left to me by my father. I recall his wearing it in the mid-50s.

I have a "golden rule": If something is advertised on the telly or in the glossy mags, I will not buy it new. I will not buy glossy mags with one exception: Woodenboat :-) If I really, really need something, I will find it "new-to-me". My "suggested purchase price" is 10% of the new article's sticker price. That goes for everything from kitchen gadgets to cars to boats and their gear. I have a very comprehensive collection of tools acquired over the years by application of that principle. Three years ago I acquired a quite excellent 2HP cabinet saw. For free :-) Consumables, such as batteries, are a different matter, of course. My policy there is to buy new, buy the best, and take good care of them while they last.

"Make it last - Make it do - Use it up!" is as valid a precept now as it was when I was a lad. I was 'radicalized" a very long time ago :-)!

TP
TrentePieds is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2018, 21:50   #96
Moderator
 
JPA Cate's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: aboard, cruising in Australia
Boat: Sayer 46' Solent rig sloop
Posts: 14,914
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

I don't know if it should be in a different thread or just carrying along in this one, but we've had some suggestions of small things we can do in the meantime. Well, some stores offer recycling containers for plastic grocery bags, that's pretty helpful, makes it easy for people who've collected excess on their boat or land home to get them turned into something useful.

Something I find easy, is any time I go for a walk, I bring a small plastic sack with me, and I pick up blown trash, which then gets put in a trash bin. It's only a little, one person's effort, but the journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.

For cruisers, you will find some places that burn plastic stuff rather than put it in the earth or sea. Not the greatest solution, perhaps, but if it can't be recycled, what're you going to do? At least the plastic bits don't then go to kill fauna.

Anyhow, I'd be delighted to see a whole thread relative to what can cruisers do to leave a clean wake? It involves a whole lot of different ideas. I really liked the one where the chap is composting his office's coffee grounds, what a good idea! At work and at play, being seen to do something constructive will be consciousness raising for someone, we can hope.

Ann
__________________
Who scorns the calm has forgotten the storm.
JPA Cate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-01-2018, 11:26   #97
Registered User
 
Mike OReilly's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 5,808
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

I just came across this news item. Seems relevant to the original post: Bahamas To Ban Plastic Bags

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentePieds View Post
You are right Mike, it was 70 per YEAR. But that's better'n five a month, which blew my mind! Ö
Me too! Itís a stat that I just canít stop thinking about. I am quite sure I havenít bought 70 new (or even used) clothes items in the last decade, let alone the last year. I realize Iím an outlier on a lot of this stuff, but it still boggles my mind that 70 items per year is the average

The piece makes the point that this is an increase of over 400% compared to the 1980s. It is clearly connected to the explosive growth of so-called ďfast fashion."

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentePieds View Post
I have a "golden rule": If something is advertised on the telly or in the glossy mags, I will not buy it new. I will not buy glossy mags with one exception: Woodenboat :-) If I really, really need something, I will find it "new-to-meĒÖ.
Itís good advice. I avoid ads as much as possible. I donít watch normal TV, rarely buy glossy publications, and quite purposely block advertising on the Web (including here on CF). People who claim they are immune to advertising are mostly likely deluding themselves (so says the science of persuasion). The best solution is to avoid exposure.
__________________
Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG: www.helplink.com/CLAFC
Mike OReilly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-01-2018, 21:23   #98
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: richards Bay, South Africa
Boat: voyage Mayotte 50 ft cat
Posts: 139
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Seems we should all be going against the soft drink producers, ie ABI / Coca Cola. The bottles cause much pollution and in particular, the red plastic caps. They're a big culprit, Surely we should be extending the cause against numerous plastic item and not just bags. The problem wont go away if just bags are banned, although, of course, it will help. Birds are injecting the caps and it blocks the digestive tract causing a painful death. Very sad to see.
YPSILANTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-01-2018, 14:03   #99
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: nowra nsw australia
Boat: 32 contessa
Posts: 200
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Happy Australia day to all in OZ ,
yesterday i was on the shoalhaven river ( about 2 hours south Sydney ) (my home town Nowra ) ,
So as its a long weekend i thought take some friends fishing at the same time check out the mooring lines on tessie , so we are putting up the river and bugga me i see a guy trow a plastic bag into the water ,, i pick it up go over and hand it back ,,, he didn't argue to much as there were 5 big blokes from the Harley club on board so i used the time to ask why he thought it was ok ?
His answer was its ONLY A BAG MATE !
So i grabbed my phone and showed him the pic i posted last week ,
Then i said your shiny boat mate ,,, WHAT if you cooked it if the bag wrapped around the water intake ,,
$10,000 for a cooked power head would be a real bad day on the water !

WELL BUGGA ME >

we saw him at the boat ramp telling off a guy for dropping a bag ,,

I say well done !

We need to keep spreading the word .
Robert Tilbury is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2018, 13:09   #100
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 18
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

I went from pattaya to koh larn island a week ago, you could navigat by following the trail of plastic and empty m150 bottles
uspatriot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2018, 13:22   #101
Registered User
 
Mike OReilly's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 5,808
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Hereís a news item referencing some current research on the impact of plastics on coral:

Plastic ocean litter boosts deadly infections in corals
__________________
Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG: www.helplink.com/CLAFC
Mike OReilly is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2018, 01:01   #102
Registered User
 
krafthaus's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Saskatoon, Canada & Eastern Caribbean
Boat: Lagoon 420
Posts: 437
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike OReilly View Post
Hereís a news item referencing some current research on the impact of plastics on coral:



Plastic ocean litter boosts deadly infections in corals



There should be bans on plastic shopping bags and styrofoam food containers. We see too much of both in the water.

Reusable shopping bags is a solution for the first. Congratulations to places that no longer allow stores to use disposable plastic shopping bags.

Biodegradable paper containers is a solution for the second. It means cutting down trees but that is a renewable resource at least.
__________________
Wherever we want to go, we go. That's what a ship is you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs. But what a ship is...really is, is freedom. ~Johnny Depp as Capt. Jack Sparrow
krafthaus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2018, 01:41   #103
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Stuart, FL
Boat: Kanter 52' cutter
Posts: 177
Images: 4
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Every human on the earth should watch this documentary.....The Plastic Ocean.
Of particular interest to those of us plying the seas.....
Free and available on the internet...


You will never look at the ocean in the same way.....
sailnautilus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2018, 03:33   #104
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Southport, NC
Boat: Pearson 367 cutter, 36'
Posts: 377
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by krafthaus View Post


There should be bans on plastic shopping bags and styrofoam food containers. We see too much of both in the water.

Reusable shopping bags is a solution for the first. Congratulations to places that no longer allow stores to use disposable plastic shopping bags.

Biodegradable paper containers is a solution for the second. It means cutting down trees but that is a renewable resource at least.
Amen to that. Thirty years ago when I lived in Germany we took string bags to the market to carry our purchases home. Way back then the Germans were recycling all kinds of things, and in true German fashion, there was one bin for green glass, another bin for clear, and a third for brown, and god help you if you put a green bottle in the clear glass bin.......;-) But for a country the size of Oregon with 60 million people living there it was essential to reduce the waste and maximize re-use & recycling. It ain't that hard.
AJ_n_Audrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2018, 05:05   #105
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Slidell, La.
Boat: Morgan Classic 33
Posts: 1,514
Re: Plastic pollution in our seas

Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ_n_Audrey View Post
Amen to that. Thirty years ago when I lived in Germany we took string bags to the market to carry our purchases home. Way back then the Germans were recycling all kinds of things, and in true German fashion, there was one bin for green glass, another bin for clear, and a third for brown, and god help you if you put a green bottle in the clear glass bin.......;-) But for a country the size of Oregon with 60 million people living there it was essential to reduce the waste and maximize re-use & recycling. It ain't that hard.
Well it certainly seems hard, at least to the majority of people I know.

When bombarded by a 24/7 stream of corporo-capitalistic incentives (demands?) to consume newer/better/more; it's a rare bird indeed who can constantly stave off the pressure not to consume frivolously and unnecessarily.

Would be interesting to see the percentage change of content/advertising in media, listed decadely from the 60's...

My favorite pet peeve are the soft soap dispensers. I have no backup, but I bet water is still cheaper than fat and lye (if that's still what they make soap out of...); taking a shower at a friends house the other day, there were 11 different plastic pump or squeeze bottles around the tub alone.
__________________

jimbunyard is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
poll

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Plastics Pollution in Our Oceans . . . svjobeth General Sailing Forum 99 03-01-2019 09:03
Pollution and Agression in Martinique - FWI bonobo General Sailing Forum 15 09-08-2013 07:07
GelCoat Eroded by Pollution, Permeability of FRP Underneath dschultz General Sailing Forum 11 08-08-2013 19:30
Water Tank Pollution Victor Echo Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 12 12-02-2012 12:52



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:52.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.