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Old 28-07-2012, 05:07   #16
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figuring out how to delegate is a big thing...

I really think Knothead should or already has some kinda plan.....if you want a second person to run that buy and make it 'presentable' fine, but take what you got, and present it...

ask for specific volunteers...

btw, a good volunteer or thing to have is a 'scheduler'.... someone who can logically figure out how to draw up a CPM/gantt chart so that progress can be tracked and distributed to those who need to know...

if you havent started, you should start writing down all the things that have to happen to make this happen... you dont have to figure out all the details at this point, just that you need something/someone...

anyways, on a 'side note', a website cam have a section/page where you can communicate with othe people in the group to do a virtural communication thing...

it will also give you email addresses and some credibility and something that can be promoted if and when the news picks up the story...

anyways, the beginning planning is kinda important... and time sensitive

i can help with scheduling if you want and the website... but if time is an issue, maybe i cant do both at the same time.... and maybe someone else can do one or the other..
All very good points

At the risk of "dumping" work onto someone else - I vote for Sailinman as the "Scheduler" . I would have thought that role and the website end would complement each other - IMO initially the website does not need to be much (nor look highly polished - own catchy URL nice but not neccessary):-

- the basic facts of the situation
- the broad plan
- names of the persons managing specific aspects:-

Knothead (Steve) - Project Manager (Big X )

??? - Resource Manager (aka a Scrounger!)
Sailinman - Project Co-ordinator
??? - Publicity / Press Officer
DOJ - Facebook page

.....and each of those roles can have assistants, managed by each Manager (so not giving Knothead more cats to herd!) - some of the roles (or at least aspects of them) do not need folk in the area.

and the Website used to keep a track of the folk who are involved / will be involved on the day:-

Volunteer Crew

Certain Boots on the Ground (folks that will be relied upon to turn up!):-


Knothead (Steve) - The Boss (Big X )
??? - Powerboat Capt (has own boat)
??? - Pump handler (has own pump)
??? - Muscle! (will bring 1 Anchor)
??? - Muscle!
??? - Caterer (The Cooler King .....or Princess )
??? - Cameraman (has own Video)

etc etc

Likely additional Muscle (these are the maybes)

??? -
??? -

Internet based Support:-

??? -
??? -
??? -

And the website develops as the project goes along - the value of the website is only partly to recruit people / inform the press etc............but more importantly to share information between those who have volunteered to manage specific aspects as to WTF is going on / who is managing what - and what the present status is on each part.....so Knothead (and everyone else) can get an overall view of the Project without having to contact numerous people (or to repeat himself!). Google Sites would allow only specific people to update webpages (or word / excel docs) themselves (to save on everything having to go through one person - Sailinman?!)

From what Sailinman has posted previously he does sound better equipped than me to be the Scheduler and Website monkey (and unfortunately my own boots on the ground are needed elsewhere next week - so won't be able to sit behind a PC so much as sometimes)..........but am willing to be his assistant, if that is useful.

FWIW, the impression I get (please correct me if I am wrong!) that given that time is of the essence it is more important for folks to get stuck in with whatever help they are able to give (or think might be of use)....including simply volunteering selves (ie not waiting for a formal invite!)....easy to get sucked into spending time talking about how to create the perfect project.....some things will go well, some less so - but that's just how things are, can always tweak things as the project goes along........but, as Sailinman said, Knothead does need a "Scheduler" (Project Co-ordinator / Cat herder ).
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Old 28-07-2012, 06:41   #17
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My friend here has been to America and she has posted this up on her Facebook page to her freinds over there,

So dont be surprised if a lot of Motorcycle riders turn up to help you, They look rough, but are very friendly and will pitch in to help,

Cheers,
Brian,

Gulfport is also a very motorcycle friendly town and they'll be welcomed, don't worry.
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Old 28-07-2012, 07:07   #18
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figuring out how to delegate is a big thing...

I really think Knothead should or already has some kinda plan.....if you want a second person to run that buy and make it 'presentable' fine, but take what you got, and present it...

ask for specific volunteers...

btw, a good volunteer or thing to have is a 'scheduler'.... someone who can logically figure out how to draw up a CPM/gantt chart so that progress can be tracked and distributed to those who need to know...

if you havent started, you should start writing down all the things that have to happen to make this happen... you dont have to figure out all the details at this point, just that you need something/someone...

anyways, on a 'side note', a website cam have a section/page where you can communicate with othe people in the group to do a virtural communication thing...

it will also give you email addresses and some credibility and something that can be promoted if and when the news picks up the story...

anyways, the beginning planning is kinda important... and time sensitive

i can help with scheduling if you want and the website... but if time is an issue, maybe i cant do both at the same time.... and maybe someone else can do one or the other..
I would be so grateful for your help.
I need to catch things up on line this morning and I'm expecting to hear from the TV station sometime today. But I also need to get over to the boat and bring Jay up to date and come up with a course of action to jury rig a repair to the mast.

To be quite honest, I don't have any organizational experience. I know what needs to happen. But I know I need help implementing that.

Oh yeah, I need to get to the printers too.
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Old 28-07-2012, 07:15   #19
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All very good points

At the risk of "dumping" work onto someone else - I vote for Sailinman as the "Scheduler" . I would have thought that role and the website end would complement each other - IMO initially the website does not need to be much (nor look highly polished - own catchy URL nice but not neccessary):-

- the basic facts of the situation
- the broad plan
- names of the persons managing specific aspects:-

Knothead (Steve) - Project Manager (Big X )

??? - Resource Manager (aka a Scrounger!)
Sailinman - Project Co-ordinator
??? - Publicity / Press Officer
DOJ - Facebook page

.....and each of those roles can have assistants, managed by each Manager (so not giving Knothead more cats to herd!) - some of the roles (or at least aspects of them) do not need folk in the area.

and the Website used to keep a track of the folk who are involved / will be involved on the day:-

Volunteer Crew

Certain Boots on the Ground (folks that will be relied upon to turn up!):-


Knothead (Steve) - The Boss (Big X )
??? - Powerboat Capt (has own boat)
??? - Pump handler (has own pump)
??? - Muscle! (will bring 1 Anchor)
??? - Muscle!
??? - Caterer (The Cooler King .....or Princess )
??? - Cameraman (has own Video)

etc etc

Likely additional Muscle (these are the maybes)

??? -
??? -

Internet based Support:-

??? -
??? -
??? -

And the website develops as the project goes along - the value of the website is only partly to recruit people / inform the press etc............but more importantly to share information between those who have volunteered to manage specific aspects as to WTF is going on / who is managing what - and what the present status is on each part.....so Knothead (and everyone else) can get an overall view of the Project without having to contact numerous people (or to repeat himself!). Google Sites would allow only specific people to update webpages (or word / excel docs) themselves (to save on everything having to go through one person - Sailinman?!)

From what Sailinman has posted previously he does sound better equipped than me to be the Scheduler and Website monkey (and unfortunately my own boots on the ground are needed elsewhere next week - so won't be able to sit behind a PC so much as sometimes)..........but am willing to be his assistant, if that is useful.

FWIW, the impression I get (please correct me if I am wrong!) that given that time is of the essence it is more important for folks to get stuck in with whatever help they are able to give (or think might be of use)....including simply volunteering selves (ie not waiting for a formal invite!)....easy to get sucked into spending time talking about how to create the perfect project.....some things will go well, some less so - but that's just how things are, can always tweak things as the project goes along........but, as Sailinman said, Knothead does need a "Scheduler" (Project Co-ordinator / Cat herder ).
This is exactly the kind of help I need guys. Exactly. Could you and Sailinman work together on some of this?
No one needs to worry about stepping on my toes. I am the first to admit that this part of the job isn't my strong suit.
I'm going to PM Sailinman my cell number and let him know that he can share it with anyone he need to. I will keep it on me constantly.
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Old 28-07-2012, 07:28   #20
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I am pretty sure Steve (Knothead) is going down a similar route already, but below is an idea posted on the FB Page:-

OK, I'm thousands of miles away, but do you know how people are rescued from sinking sands in the UK? A probe on a hose pipe is pushed into the sand & water pumped into it to liquify it so they can be pulled out. Vibrators for settling conc...rete may also help.

I have tried digging out moorings in wet sand & it is almost impossible, the hole doesn't get deeper, it just gets wider. I think getting her to lie on her side is the only way you will be able to drag her into deeper water without big tides to help you.


Appreciate that the ideas are the easy part - I have seen the Pitch in and help thread - translating into action, is the tricky bit (without growing another 12 arms and having 48 hours in a day!)....will mull over what I can do to help (without my boots on the ground ).
David, I hope you don't mind that I took this from the other thread.
I hadn't even considered liquefaction. What a great idea. Perhaps a dock builder with a pump and probe could be on hand.
My thought was to lay the boat over onto planks laying on the sand so that the boat had a hard surface to slide on for a bit. I believe that once you get it moving, it will want to keep on moving. Assuming enough horsepower is pulling and pushing it.
A little liquefaction after it comes off the planks could save the day if the boat decides to come to a halt.
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Old 28-07-2012, 07:37   #21
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David, I hope you don't mind that I took this from the other thread.
I hadn't even considered liquefaction. What a great idea. Perhaps a dock builder with a pump and probe could be on hand.
My thought was to lay the boat over onto planks laying on the sand so that the boat had a hard surface to slide on for a bit. I believe that once you get it moving, it will want to keep on moving. Assuming enough horsepower is pulling and pushing it.
A little liquefaction after it comes off the planks could save the day if the boat decides to come to a halt.

I think that might be a terrific idea. That's how folks got the other big boat that ran aground off -- although that boat was on rocks. They let the storm raise the boat and slipped boards under it. It slid much more easily off the boards. That boat had the tremendous advantage of a strong engine but it wouldn't have happened without the boards.
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My friend here has been to America and she has posted this up on her Facebook page to her freinds over there,

So dont be surprised if a lot of Motorcycle riders turn up to help you, They look rough, but are very friendly and will pitch in to help,

Cheers,
Brian,
gulfport is a biker community... BTW
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Old 28-07-2012, 08:06   #23
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gulfport is a biker community... BTW
In fact, linking in to the St. Pete area biking community might be a very good idea. They are known in this area for volunteering when needed.
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I see scheduling of resorces as our biggest chalange, We need some one to have a chat with Knothead (who has a plan) to come up with the A,B,C, plan of action. For example,
A. 8:00 am, need 40 volunteers to remove EVERYTHING from the boat. One hour tops.
B. 9:00 am, Need fire dept to start blasting, need 30 volunteers for that.
C. 10:00 am, Need 10 anchors with lines pulling, Need 6 power boats ready to pull.
D. ECT, ECT

I do not know what Knotheads exact plan is, but if we had a plan of action on paper, with twice the volunteers as need, someones very important job will be getting scheduled jobs done on time, and where to concentrate efferts when need. Also the scheduler needs to know what resources he/she has, so when someone shows up with a boat to help, they are used instead of forgotten about. Managing rescorces is going to be huge for this to happen assuming we get them the way we hope. Also, we need to know what Knotheads thoughts are on, (How many of what?) he thinks we need. For example, if we get 100 volunteers but only one boat to help pull, then we probably will not be successfull.
I will be driving up from Naples with a powerboat to help, very early on Wen morning, I may have one rider already but have room for a couple more. PM me if you are interested, in helping. I can let knothead know what resorces we will be providing
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i dont mind helping as long as it is not directly with other people or the 'public'.. I am not a superviser, (anymore)... i can do what I am told. but dont want to tell anyone what to do...

a 'scheduler' is fine... but that is not a 'cat herder'... it is a cat reporter.... i can tell/show what cats need herding... or what tasks need to happen... but it will be up to someone else to herd the cats...

I know nothing about salvaging a boat, or getting publicity... my career depended on avoiding publicity...a scheduler needs the input from those who have the plan and then puts that info into a presentable publication... (albeit a bit technical but hopefully simple enuf to understand by those that need it)

anyways, I have KH's cell number and will call after this posting... and will get the foundation set on paper...


on another side note: I need help with the name of the website.... suggestions PLEASE.. I am the least creative person you know... so 'CATCHY' names allude me...

www.capnJim.com

www.savingcapnjim.com ???

www.howtofloataboat.com

Domain Name Search to check if your idea is available...
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Old 28-07-2012, 08:14   #26
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I see scheduling of resorces as our biggest chalange, We need some one to have a chat with Knothead (who has a plan) to come up with the A,B,C, plan of action. For example,
A. 8:00 am, need 40 volunteers to remove EVERYTHING from the boat. One hour tops.
B. 9:00 am, Need fire dept to start blasting, need 30 volunteers for that.
C. 10:00 am, Need 10 anchors with lines pulling, Need 6 power boats ready to pull.
D. ECT, ECT

I do not know what Knotheads exact plan is, but if we had a plan of action on paper, with twice the volunteers as need, someones very important job will be getting scheduled jobs done on time, and where to concentrate efferts when need. Also the scheduler needs to know what resources he/she has, so when someone shows up with a boat to help, they are used instead of forgotten about. Managing rescorces is going to be huge for this to happen assuming we get them the way we hope. Also, we need to know what Knotheads thoughts are on, (How many of what?) he thinks we need. For example, if we get 100 volunteers but only one boat to help pull, then we probably will not be successfull.
I will be driving up from Naples with a powerboat to help, very early on Wen morning, I may have one rider already but have room for a couple more. PM me if you are interested, in helping. I can let knothead know what resorces we will be providing
Right on all points RM. Sailingman has been kind enough to step in. I'm expecting a call from him after he gets a little coffee into him. I believe that with his management and experience we will start to get things lined out.
I'm feeling a bit less overwhelmed this morning. Thanks for all the support everyone.
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Old 28-07-2012, 08:38   #27
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i dont mind helping as long as it is not directly with other people or the 'public'.. I am not a superviser, (anymore)... i can do what I am told. but dont want to tell anyone what to do...

a 'scheduler' is fine... but that is not a 'cat herder'... it is a cat reporter.... i can tell/show what cats need herding... or what tasks need to happen... but it will be up to someone else to herd the cats...

I know nothing about salvaging a boat, or getting publicity... my career depended on avoiding publicity...a scheduler needs the input from those who have the plan and then puts that info into a presentable publication... (albeit a bit technical but hopefully simple enuf to understand by those that need it)

anyways, I have KH's cell number and will call after this posting... and will get the foundation set on paper...


on another side note: I need help with the name of the website.... suggestions PLEASE.. I am the least creative person you know... so 'CATCHY' names allude me...

www.capnJim.com

www.savingcapnjim.com ???

www.howtofloataboat.com

Domain Name Search to check if your idea is available...
How about

To Float a (Grounded) Boat
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Old 28-07-2012, 08:43   #28
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yes, I am getting involved but would gladly defer the scheduling part to someone who has software... I can do it manually with excel or something but if you have a CPM/gantt chartting program then I would gladly defer to you, and or work with whomever to get this part done...

STEVE will/must be in charge and final approval will need to go thru him but for those that want to help, please send him and me a PM...

if you want to do something specific, or want to donate money to reimburse costs, then fine...

the first needs are for accounting, scheduling, volunteer coordinator, website builder, secretary...

these are the first and immediate needs.... you dont need to live in this area... and this work can be done remotely...

the costs will be minor.... basically feeding/drinking the volunteers.... there will be other costs, but not sure what/if Steve is planning as for resources/equipment for the actual salvage....I am sure he would appreciate not having to outlay all the costs involved...
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Old 28-07-2012, 08:43   #29
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Salinman - since this is happening in just 5 days, putting time and energy into setting up, building out and maintaining a website seems a bit overkill. You've already got tremendous traffic with the threads here and at Sailnet. You should just use those threads to post information/scheduling/etc. You can even use them for pics, updates, etc. when the thing gets going.

It's going to take too long to get any traction with a separate website. Just keep things simple. There's no time for complex approaches.

Just my last remaining .02.
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How about?

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