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Old 27-02-2013, 14:06   #106
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

Thinking what?
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Old 27-02-2013, 14:15   #107
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BTW the "coast guard, coast guard, i'm in trouble ..." would work as well. The CG would respond regardless of the procedural mistake.
It is NOT the purpose of a Pan-Pan transmission to summon the Coast Guard, even though this may sometimes be an end result. A Pan-Pan can be used to alert other vessels to urgent situations that may not require CG intervention in any way. Example: you lose engine power in a busy strait in poor visibility, and want to alert other vessels as to your position while you effect repairs.

The longer this thread runs, the more apparent it becomes that how to pronounce the words is the least of our problems. It seems that a significant number of mariners have no idea when a Pan-Pan transmission is appropriate.

The line of thinking that Mayday, Pan-Pan and Securite transmissions should all directed toward summoning the Coast Guard is unfortunate, because these transmissions are a way of soliciting a response from all mariners in the area. If all you're trying to do is call out the coasties, then just call the coasties.
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Old 27-02-2013, 14:30   #108
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

I am not saying that CG would rush to the rescue ... but certainly they would inquire about nature of the trouble and assist however appropriate ... perhaps by issuing a SECURITE call to all in the example below. It all depends on what would be said after "...".

"Coast guard, coast guard, i'm in trouble ... I am pleasure craft ... my position is ... my engines are out and I am drifting in the middle of a shipping channel. I am single handed. Please advise other vessels in the vicinity as I am trying to get control back."

Happy now ...

BTW, SECURITE call is for general safety info, PAN PAN call is used when there is an urgency on board a boat, but there is no immediate danger to the life or to the vessel.
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Old 27-02-2013, 14:55   #109
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

OK!!! I can solve this debate! I DARE 4 or 5 of you from all over the world to post YouTube vids of YOU saying it like YOU think! One person from wherever...like one Ausy, One Brit, one US...etc.

Then I'll listen to you all sounding pretty much exactly the same and have a good laugh!!!!

The GOOD NEWS is that, proper radio talk aside, the fantastic people who work in SAR all over the world WILL know what I am saying even in my poor American English!
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OK!!! I can solve this debate! I DARE 4 or 5 of you from all over the world to post YouTube vids of YOU saying it like YOU think! One person from wherever...like one Ausy, One Brit, one US...etc.
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

I pulled up to a fuel dock in Texas and the kid at the pumps asked if I wanted ass. I thought it was a strange place for a bordello... ooooh, ice...lol
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Then I'll listen to you all sounding pretty much exactly the same and have a good laugh!!!!
I bet you are right. That was the point ... instead of trying to transcribe the sound as "pan" or "pon" ... it sounds similar when spoken by informed speaker regardless of accent and native tongue. We are good ... SAR will understand and ask for clarification/context anyway.
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112 (113 now) posts on how to pronounce a 3 letter word. Only on cruisersforum!
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"Coast guard, coast guard, i'm in trouble ... I am pleasure craft ... my position is ... my engines are out and I am drifting in the middle of a shipping channel. I am single handed. Please advise other vessels in the vicinity as I am trying to get control back."

Happy now ...
Not really. I feel that boaters are becoming a bit too dependent on the Coast Guard a bit too much of the time. For example, in the SF Bay I often hear vessels calling the CG to inform them of a floating log or deadhead. If you feel the situation deserves a Securite warning, why not broadcast one yourself? This is actually a better solution, because the CG broadcast might be repeated for hundreds of square miles, while a more local broadcast from a vessel in the vicinity will only pester those who are close to the hazard. I really don't need to hear about your deadhead if it's an eight-hour sail away.

A couple of weeks ago I heard an out-of-fuel powerboat call the Coast Guard to request them to contact the local towboat to come give them a tow. How ridiculous is that? The towboat operator was there listening the whole time, and finally broke into the conversation and suggested moving the it to a different channel.

My point is simple. If you feel there's a need for a Pan-Pan, don't call the coasties, broadcast the Pan-Pan. The more you're able to cut the umbilical cord with the Coast Guard, the better it is for all of us.
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BAAAHAAAHAAA...116 posts ......
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

Bash,

You are suggesting most do not know correct procedures. Agreed.

If they did they would be know how to issue a Securite warning, program their DSC VHF, carry an EPIRP and not be tying up the Coastguard unnecessarily.

At some point the requirement for training comes in. Not yet there it seems.
Lets just hope we don't force the CG and equivalents around world into cost recovery.
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112 (113 now) posts on how to pronounce a 3 letter word. Only on cruisersforum!
It's not a three letter word, it's a six letter phrase! Totally different animal. Much more tricky!
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It's not a three letter word, it's a six letter phrase! Totally different animal. Much more tricky!
HAHAHAAHAHAH

Did I spell that riht?
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It's not a three letter word, it's a six letter phrase! Totally different animal. Much more tricky!

I don't think so. It's a three letter word, repeated. But this is open to lengthy debate. How about Pan Pon? Pon Pan?

Can we make it to 200 posts?
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

I'm still unclear on one thing. What exactly is a pan fish?
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