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Old 26-02-2013, 16:29   #31
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

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It went from PAN repeated three times to PAN-PAN repeated three times

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Example of Urgency Procedure(PAN PAN)

“PAN PAN, PAN PAN, PAN PAN, St. John’s Coast Guard Radio, St. John’s Coast Guard Radio, St. John’s Coast Guard Radio, This is NONSUCH, NONSUCH, NONSUCH. MMSI 316999999, 5 miles East of Cape Bonavista, 5 Persons on Board, we have taken on water in lazarette and are presently trying to pump out excess water, Over”.
Thanks, caught that myself just after hitting the darned "submit" button. Edited.
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Well, your wikipedia link says that it's pronounced with an a as in father or bra, which is the same as Pon Pon to my ears.

Or at least, I assume this is a thread about how to pronounce it and not how to spell it. Spelling is obviously Pan Pan. I was taught the pronounciation is Pon Pon, but I've only ever heard Pan Pan on the VHF.
Must be only in US. In Australia its Pan Pan.
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Madie, pronounced mayday, distress.
Pan pan, pronounced pon pon, urgency.
Securitie, pronounced securitay, security less than urgent.
It's actually "M'aidez", French for "(You, collectively) help me!".

The pronounciations are traditionally French, because back in the day, that was an easy language to hear over crappy early radio.

Keep the French words French. It actually reduces ambiguity.
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

Ok...the real french words...pronounced...
M'aider <mehdeh> help me in french...became MAYDAY
Panne <pahne> scare/panic in french...became PAN PAN <as in can-can>
Securite <securitay>...you get the idea
Frites <freett>...french fries <everything must come with fries>
It's time for some Bordeaux wine <vin>, cheese <frommage>, french bread <baguette>...Mauritz
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Ok...the real french words...pronounced...
Panne <pahne> scare/panic in french...became PAN PAN <as in can-can>
All the translations I've seen say "breakdown/failure". Same word in Italian also means "breakdown".
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Actually mayday was invented by a English man in a London airport ad a word that could b pronounced easily by both French and English.

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Urgent communications are identified by "Pan-Pan" (pronounced Pahn-Pahn).
Chapman Piloting, Seamanship & Small Boat Handling, by Elbert S. Maloney.
Here we have it!

Now we can start talking about what's "correcter":
"would have", "would've" or "would of" ...
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

I have been taught in radio classes and flight school and sailing that it was pan-pan...definitely not pon...
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I think near the vicinity of Brooklyn, NY. It is pawn, pawn.

Tomato tomato potato potato... It's all the same, no?
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I think near the vicinity of Brooklyn, NY. It is pawn, pawn.

Tomato tomato potato potato... It's all the same, no?
That's the point it isn't. French was used to define the pronunciation, specifically because in English there are too many sloppy ways to pronounce things.

Hence As has been pointed out the correct pronunciation is as per the French , even of some mis interpret that.

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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

When I took my radio course, I was also taught that when someone was interrupting a distress call, you could say "Silence mayday" or "Seelonce Mayday, either pronunciation was acceptable, so its possible either pronunciation of pan-pan is acceptable. Think of "pon-pon" as "pan-pan" but with a British accent?
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The pronunciation is not nationally specific, that's the very point , it is derived from the French pronunciation.

Next time your in Montreal( or Paris ) try asking for bread using pon!!! .

Wiki is assuming most people pronounce bra with the hard 'a' as its a truncation of brassiere. Hence pan, like frying pan.

If your saying it any other way that's fine but its not right

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This is great fun. We seriously need to just start recoding ourselves. I have never in my life hard somebody say the word bra like I would say frying pan. Completely different vowel sounds.
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Ah, oui. Tres bien.
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So I am guessing you have no problem with pronouncing the ending of Sécurité.............ay .

Nope. Very easy for a Canadian: secure it, eh!
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When I took my radio course, I was also taught that when someone was interrupting a distress call, you could say "Silence mayday" or "Seelonce Mayday, either pronunciation was acceptable, so its possible either pronunciation of pan-pan is acceptable. Think of "pon-pon" as "pan-pan" but with a British accent?
Anyone who teaches you that " Silence mayday" is an acceptable VHF " pro-word has no right to be a VHF instructor

Pro words are designed to be language independent , if you say " silence" the the listener has to understand English , but of we all agree that " seelonce" means "keep off the radio" , all we have to understand is the sound of a the pro-word. Hence the reason for a common and standardised pronunciation


Pro words are not English hence English pronunciation is irrelevant
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