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Old 01-03-2013, 15:57   #151
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

While we all want to be technically correctly, I did hear Coast Guard Seattle respond to a "Help, help, help, coast guard, help, help, help." They got lost between Friday Harbor and Anacortes.

Securite messages can be addressed to other vessels. BC Ferries announce their intention to transit through Active Pass with a Securite message as they reach Enterprise Reef or Gossip Shoals.
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

It was Pan Pan when I got my commercial ticket 15 years back (aus). On the occasion I hear local traffic, its Pan Pan.

Never heard of a Pon Pon.
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Trying to get this to xxx posts when I'm listening the first repeated section gives me attention. Pan pin or whatever I know the situation is crucial. Given the repetitious nature I become alert wether its Securtiae pan or mayday. The repetion draws my attention. The pronunciation is less important.
A mayday call is going to grab me. A pan call gets me down below with a pen a Securtiae call makes me Listen. Pretty sure if you said pan or pan I would listen up which is the point.
It separates the call from the gibberish on a emergency Chanel. Hey Bill, Rod just head butted a blue fish. Pan pan pan pan pan gets me out of auto ignore. Pan or pon I'm tuning into the context.
Also as some seem to miss this the coast guard issues a pan pan when another vessel had issued a mayday. The coast guard does not repeat a mayday. Hence coast guard issues pan pan after a boat declares mayday.
Still not sure which pronunciation is right but I'm learning tword the pawn.
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Also as some seem to miss this the coast guard issues a pan pan when another vessel had issued a mayday. The coast guard does not repeat a mayday. Hence coast guard issues pan pan after a boat declares mayday.
Ummm - no. The Coast Guard usually assumes control of Mayday situations and all messages start with "Mayday".

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Control of Distress Traffic
The control of distress traffic is the responsibility of the vessel in distress or of the station that
relays the distress message. These stations may, however, delegate the control of distress traffic to
another station such as a Coast Guard Radio Station. During many distress situations, Coast
Guard Radio Stations control distress traffic. Their powerful coastal transmitters can be readily
heard by other ship and land stations over a wide area.
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Distress Traffic
Distress traffic consists of all transmissions relative to the immediate assistance required by the
station in distress. Essentially, all transmissions made after the initial distress call are considered as
distress traffic. In distress traffic, the distress signal MAYDAY, spoken once, shall precede all
transmissions. This procedure is intended to alert stations unaware of the initial distress call, and
now monitoring the distress channel, that traffic heard relates to a distress situation.
http://www.obsr.ca/radio-ric23.pdf
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Trying to get this to xxx posts when I'm listening the first repeated section gives me attention. Pan pin or whatever I know the situation is crucial. Given the repetitious nature I become alert wether its Securtiae pan or mayday. The repetion draws my attention. The pronunciation is less important.
A mayday call is going to grab me. A pan call gets me down below with a pen a Securtiae call makes me Listen. Pretty sure if you said pan or pan I would listen up which is the point.
It separates the call from the gibberish on a emergency Chanel. Hey Bill, Rod just head butted a blue fish. Pan pan pan pan pan gets me out of auto ignore. Pan or pon I'm tuning into the context.
Also as some seem to miss this the coast guard issues a pan pan when another vessel had issued a mayday. The coast guard does not repeat a mayday. Hence coast guard issues pan pan after a boat declares mayday.
Still not sure which pronunciation is right but I'm learning tword the pawn.
Nope not unless you say the Texas Pawn-handle !

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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

We are getting there ... only 45 44 to get to 200 ... ... at least we are not talking pronunciation anymore.

The procedures and practicalities of the emergency/urgent/safety calls make for an interesting discussion ... good stuff!
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

...and what would you do, if you hear POM POM, POM POM... Mauritz
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Did I hear someone say "pain pain?"

Hmmmm...
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We are getting there ... only 45 to get to 200 ... ... at least we are not talking pronunciation anymore.

The procedures and practicalities of the emergency/urgent/safety calls make for an interesting discussion ... good stuff!
The lack of knowledge on GMDSS procedures is particularly pointed though

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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

Potato.... Potato

Tomato... Tomato


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Potato.... Potato

Tomato... Tomato

??????????????
Not to be become circular , but thats exactly what its not.

What it is is that the whole world ( as mandated by the ITU ) was told when you say tomato , you pronounce it tow-mate-o and everyone's agrees. Hence the tow-mat-o usage would therefor be wrong.

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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

I can say this for certain, if you say "Pon-Pon" on the East Coast of the USA you will sound just like the Coast Guard and they will instantly recognize that you are broadcasting an urgency signal. It is what they say every day on the radio and expect from mariners. In the rest of the world apparently the authorities will sneer, laugh, and ignore you if you don't say "Pan-Pan."
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Okay, lemme try a different approach:

Just stand in front of a mirror with a glass of wine. Take a sip, swirl it through your mouth and close your eyes. Now think of it as an expensive French wine, while you slowly swallow it. Next, quickly pull a face resembling a frog, open your eyes and say P A H N - P A H N.

That's how it's pronounced.
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Re: PAN PAN....OR PON PON

Kettlewell - could you clarify your post? Nobody stated or implied that using incorrect pronounciation for PAN PAN would be ignored. Are you suggesting that the ITU and the rest of the world change their pronounciation in order to comply with the U.S. East Coast Coast Guard pronounciation?
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