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Old 12-02-2018, 13:31   #1
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Oyster Yachts

Looks like the “Quick Buck” Hedge Fund buzzards have ducked a cash call and pulled the plug on Oyster, with its 40 year history and GBP 80 million order book but, limited liability problem. Richard Mattew’s will be groaning.
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Re: Oyster Yachts

That discussion is pretty much over here
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There is far too much money on the table. Unless they have insurmountable debts, the assets still have substantial value, and the liabilities should be cleared. It may be bought for pennies on the dollar, but I would expect Oyster will rise from the ashes at some point under "new ownership" and possibly with a revised name.
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There is far too much money on the table. Unless they have insurmountable debts, the assets still have substantial value, and the liabilities should be cleared. It may be bought for pennies on the dollar, but I would expect Oyster will rise from the ashes at some point under "new ownership" and possibly with a revised name.
So for a marginal investment you could purchase a money loosing business that is almost a going concern and rename it yourself-- maybe Clam or Mussle Yachts.
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I don't know how the laws work over there but in the US the company would declare bankruptcy, have the courts discharge all their liabilities from future suits, and then conduct business as usual. Not a big deal here. Maybe not quite that simple but thats the general jist.
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I don't know how the laws work over there but in the US the company would declare bankruptcy, have the courts discharge all their liabilities from future suits, and then conduct business as usual. Not a big deal here. Maybe not quite that simple but thats the general jist.
You are missing a key part of a reorganization bankruptcy, aka Chapter 11
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whats wrong - i thought oysters are boats of unmatched quality ?
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whats wrong - i thought oysters are boats of unmatched quality ?
The wheels are falling off them. Ooops, I meant keels.
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You are missing a key part of a reorganization bankruptcy, aka Chapter 11
Who has priority to any money, the creditors or victims?
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So for a marginal investment you could purchase a money loosing business that is almost a going concern and rename it yourself-- maybe Clam or Mussle Yachts.
"People; Product; Process" - Marcus Lemonis

Do they have the right people? Maybe the guys on the line and lower management.

Do the have a viable product? Maybe some of the proven lines. Get rid of the mega yachts.

Do they have the proper process? No. That is why they are losing money.

It is all solvable. It will just take the right person(s) who can come in and clean up the problems. It takes more than money.
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It is sad to see Oyster go down so suddenly. It had an exceptionally recognizable brand, at least in our circles. The private equity guys who bought it probably had no idea how to run it well but there is something wrong with the business model as well... we are at the peak of the economy, employment is high, there could not be a better time to spend a couple of million on a toy.

My take (may be generalizing) is that the demand for monohulls over 55-60 feet is shrinking rapidly: 1) too big to handle, need crew which is headache; 2) At those price levels and the cost of sails/maintenance/crew a powerboat becomes much more attractive (more room, faster, more comfort, probably cheaper to run; 3) a modern 50' cat is a better value than a 65' premium mono from every possible consideration. I just do not see real demand for these boats, even with the brand name.

It looks as if the market for large sailboats is taken over by the French with some leftovers for traditional cruisers (huge existing inventory to choose from), ocean racers (limited market, mostly custom these days) and some North European manufacturers.
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That discussion is pretty much over here


Sorry, what part of 160 employees loosing their jobs did I miss?
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Who has priority to any money, the creditors or victims?
And you think that creditors aren't victims too?
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Re: Oyster Yachts

I have a friend in the UK who is a company salvager. He is appointed to go in and take over the running and see if the company can be saved, restructured or sold off to recoup debts.

He told me that in his 40 years experience, that most management boards make one crucial mistake in their running of the company, and then compound it with another. Then it usually is a downward spiral if the same Board members continue.

Cash flow and debt management are paramount to keeping solvent. 90% of companies that fail have healthy order books.

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In the moderately distant past I had a very very small shareholding in a bespoke builder of yachts in the UK..

Was in the UK at the time.. was about to order a few new boats... cautioned by the owner of the business... don't do that ... we are going bankrupt tomorrow....

Which it would seem would clear all their debts and as the man said ' we still have the rights to the designs and without that the moulds are valueless so we buy them back for 5p in the quid and hey nonny nonny away we go again...'

Rather sadly for them they had sacked the very good marketing manager a short time previously... he approached the owner of the designs and picked up the rights... a couple from Lancashire bought the moulds.... and that was that...

It was neither of these two but look at the history of Westerly Yacht Construction ( more comebacks than Dame Nelly Melba )... once bought by a midland's boot maker and asset stripped by them before being thrown in the trash...

And also... more recently.. the people who were making Southerly and Vancouvers in the UK...
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