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Old 13-02-2018, 07:11   #46
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How many times does one see a German engine in a sailboat these days..
or Swedish.. Volvo has become a dirty word.
Now take a 100 year old company and you have a success story called Yamar..
The Germans aren't a seafaring nation like the English and the Swedes are, as for Volvo I would call that company a greater success story than Yanmar.

I can't tell which engines are better though, I don't know how many units each company sell each year, or how many are still in use, or fail rate and what kind of problems etc.

I didn't have any issues with my Volvo engine, but others have had issues with theirs, so there you go.
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The Germans aren't a seafaring nation like the English and the Swedes are, as for Volvo I would call that company a greater success story than Yanmar.

I can't tell which engines are better though, I don't know how many units each company sell each year, or how many are still in use, or fail rate and what kind of problems etc.


I didn't have any issues with my Volvo engine, but others have had issues with theirs, so there you go.
Actually I dont have any gripe with Volvo myself.. just the price of their spares..
Mind.. the engines are cheap.. a cunning plan as Baldrick would say.

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Ya'll forgot about Italian motorcycles, the finest in the world. Nothing beats their quality and reliability.

They're not too expensive either when comparing to their English, German, and Japanese counterparts.


They actually are. Take my last dirt bike, a Husqvarna TE-450.
A well respected Swedish mark, but the bike was made in Italy, and sadly Husqvarna is now owned by BMW, a German company.
Only thing Swedish was the name, but the best dirt bike I have ever owned, very powerful and as reliable as a Jap bike, just a whole lot faster, lighter and better handling.
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Top Ten Moto GP since 2002...
1. 2003 Honda RC211V
2. 2002 Honda RC211V
3. 2004 Honda RC211V
4. 2009 Yamaha YZR-M1
5. 2006 Honda RC211V
6. 2010 Yamaha YZR-M1
7. 2008 Yamaha YZR-M1
8. 2005 Honda RC211V
=9. 2007 Ducati Desmosedici
=9. 2005 Yamaha YZR-M1
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Back in 1973 I think it was I rode a Husqvarna WR-250 as a kid Harescrambling. I got good enough to pick up a small sponsorship with Husky America. That was the year Heikki Mikkola won the World Championship. The bike he rode, and the bike that was sold to the public was 99% the same, biggest difference was in the cylinder porting. In fact Husky put one of their “works” cylinders on my bike, and it slowed me down. I wasn’t good enough to perform at that level, I was faster with a stock cylinder, so a stock Husky was actually faster ridden by mere mortals.
About that time Yamaha and Honda began producing the factory race bikes, that you and I could not have. They were rumored to cost $30,000 US or about ten times what a Husky cost. That was the end of European dominance in Motorcross etc., the Japanese simply out spent them. But for years the Pentons, Maico’s etc. we’re better bikes, they however did not survive.
Motor GP is and somewhat always has been pretty similar to Formula 1, meaning that the similarity of what you and I can buy and what is raced is the color of the paint.
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When talking engines maybe.. but then there's frames, brakes, suspension etc..
My Honda 750 stuck to the road like $hit to a blanket..
For straight line speed Kawa's and 2 stroke Suzi's.. but all my broken bones were on Suzi's not holding the turns..
My only Yami was a Virago 750.. a Harley on steroids..
Nowadays.. my 1992 sedate Kawa 500 is quite enough with a top end around 115mph when I've freshly tuned her is ample for the hill country and S bends around here.
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Who has priority to any money, the creditors or victims?
The creditors (materials suppliers, sub-contractors, engine suppliers, sailmakers, rigging suppliers, etc) ARE the victims. They are the ones who will get pennies on the dollar for their goods and services they supplied to Oyster in good faith.
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As any real biker will tell you.. want a real and reliable mo'bike.. buy a Rice Burner..
Want a weekly project.. buy a Triumph.
Want a sedate fat old man pose machine.. buy a Harley
Where do BMW fit into your scheme of things? Ditto Ducati?

This collection of myths might have been true in the 1960's, but that was a very long time ago......
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When talking engines maybe.. but then there's frames, brakes, suspension etc..
My Honda 750 stuck to the road like $hit to a blanket..
For straight line speed Kawa's and 2 stroke Suzi's.. but all my broken bones were on Suzi's not holding the turns..
My only Yami was a Virago 750.. a Harley on steroids..
Nowadays.. my 1992 sedate Kawa 500 is quite enough with a top end around 115mph when I've freshly tuned her is ample for the hill country and S bends around here.
This was all a long long time ago, the world has changed and so have motorcycles. Have you ridden a bike that is less than 10 years old? Or even from the current century? A relative comparison of cycle brands of the 1960's has nothing to do with how they stack up in 2018.
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We is older Boatie.
My bike list.

yamaha 250. Hated it. Too slippy.
Honda CBX pro link 1000. on rails
Kawasaki, Z series, 400, 550, 750.
Kawasaki 1100.
Honda Gold wing.
Honda Silver wing.
Honda Trail bikes.
BSA 250. Through a hedge, wouldnt turn..
various others.
Not ridden an owned bike in 22 years.

Dont miss it

GUess I like Hondas.
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When talking engines maybe.. but then there's frames, brakes, suspension etc..
My Honda 750 stuck to the road like $hit to a blanket..
For straight line speed Kawa's and 2 stroke Suzi's.. but all my broken bones were on Suzi's not holding the turns..
My only Yami was a Virago 750.. a Harley on steroids..
Nowadays.. my 1992 sedate Kawa 500 is quite enough with a top end around 115mph when I've freshly tuned her is ample for the hill country and S bends around here.


Actually when I was road racing in WERA only a decade or so ago, it was a pretty common belief if you were not racing a Suzuki, you were chasing someone who was.
Suzuki’s were known to have the best handling bikes, and handling and not horsepower is what makes you circulate a track faster.
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Actually when I was road racing in WERA only a decade or so ago, it was a pretty common belief if you were not racing a Suzuki, you were chasing someone who was.
Suzuki’s were known to have the best handling bikes, and handling and not horsepower is what makes you circulate a track faster.
I found that keeping your eyes open helps as well.......

Long story..
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This was all a long long time ago, the world has changed and so have motorcycles. Have you ridden a bike that is less than 10 years old? Or even from the current century? A relative comparison of cycle brands of the 1960's has nothing to do with how they stack up in 2018.
Actually I have.. a mate owns a m'bike shop here in Portugal.. he's tried to get me to buy all sorts
Last bike I rode was a Honda VFR800F.. have also tried the 600RR.. but I'm 70 this year and sit up and beg bikes are kinder on back and wrists if more than a one hour trip.
Also.. the kind of money one off those would cost is more than for an Elizabethan 23.. also from the last century..
Its all about priorities..
Oh.. and I did not know they made Virago's, CBR1000F's etc in the 60's.. the things I've missed.
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Actually I have.. a mate owns a m'bike shop here in Portugal.. he's tried to get me to buy all sorts
Last bike I rode was a Honda VFR800F.. have also tried the 600RR.. but I'm 70 this year and sit up and beg bikes are kinder on back and wrists if more than a one hour trip.
Also.. the kind of money one off those would cost is more than for an Elizabethan 23.. also from the last century..
Its all about priorities..
Oh.. and I did not know they made Virago's, CBR1000f's etc in the 60's.. the things I've missed.
I used to joke that you cant sleep on a bike... well, I found that you can..
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Get the VFR, that is a nice sport touring bike, except for my old CBR 1100 XX. The VFR is a close second in my mind, but the Blackbird was something special.
I sold the Blackbird to go cruising, something that I thought I would never do, cause I’m pretty certain that it was my last Superbike.
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