monohull vs multihull observation

[markpierce]

Cave like? Seems more seaworthy.

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Hmmm, don't make things up,never said I dont roll, I said I'm not rolling my guts out,rarely do.

Yes, dont make things up. Good advice.

So in that vein, perhaps you can point out where I said YOU were rolling your guts out?

Or was that just something you imagined? (Made up.)

[44'cruisingcat]

Originally Posted by markpierce

Cave like? Seems more seaworthy.

Absolutely! Everywhere you look you see caves floating about.

And caves are fine. Humans lived in caves for thousands of years.

Some of us have moved on.

[44'cruisingcat]

OhIt's a well known fact, whales consider cat's to be their friends.

https://youtu.be/1kmnILhYiR4

https://youtu.be/xQ41HOk7NNU

They probably feel safer, knowing they wont be hit by a wildly rolling keel, or a boat sinking on top of them...

[Sojourner]

Originally Posted by funjohnson

New monohulls do a good job of opening the view from down in the hull with large deadlights as almost a standard now. One of the best for seated view inside is the Cigale with its aft saloon area.

Matt

1) Yaaayyyy for all the cocoon batcave love! Most of us sail in warmer climes, and here in Greece at the moment it is BOILING. When it gets too much, going below for a rest with the wind channeling thru is heaven.

2) I strenuously disagree with deadlights in new boats, not for any seaworthiness reason (I'm sure they're well engineered) but storage. One of the few differences between my 53 and my friend's 54 is 10 years newer design. Mine has no windows down below at eye/chest level, his does. Every place there is a window, he lost 2 BIG cabinets worth of space. Maybe this only affects us liveaboards, but every bilge and cabinet of our Amel is completely full...clothes, food, books, electronics, cat toys, people toys, you name it it's in there. I'll trade that storage over another window I'd keep covered up anyday.

[Tillsbury]

Originally Posted by Sojourner

1) Yaaayyyy for all the cocoon batcave love! Most of us sail in warmer climes, and here in Greece at the moment it is BOILING. When it gets too much, going below for a rest with the wind channeling thru is heaven.

2) I strenuously disagree with deadlights in new boats, not for any seaworthiness reason (I'm sure they're well engineered) but storage. One of the few differences between my 53 and my friend's 54 is 10 years newer design. Mine has no windows down below at eye/chest level, his does. Every place there is a window, he lost 2 BIG cabinets worth of space. Maybe this only affects us liveaboards, but every bilge and cabinet of our Amel is completely full...clothes, food, books, electronics, cat toys, people toys, you name it it's in there. I'll trade that storage over another window I'd keep covered up anyday.

I’m with you there. We use aircon and the admiral has the hatch blinds covered all the time in the master cabin. And it’s not like it’s tropical hot down this way.

Re: deadlights, I generally agree but there one place on one side of my boat that I’m seriously tempted to put one in, just to be able to get more view of the anchorage when seated. There isn’t storage in the one place I’m looking, so I keep being tempted to have a go at it.

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by Sojourner

1) Yaaayyyy for all the cocoon batcave love! Most of us sail in warmer climes, and here in Greece at the moment it is BOILING. When it gets too much, going below for a rest with the wind channeling thru is heaven.

2) I strenuously disagree with deadlights in new boats, not for any seaworthiness reason (I'm sure they're well engineered) but storage. One of the few differences between my 53 and my friend's 54 is 10 years newer design. Mine has no windows down below at eye/chest level, his does. Every place there is a window, he lost 2 BIG cabinets worth of space. Maybe this only affects us liveaboards, but every bilge and cabinet of our Amel is completely full...clothes, food, books, electronics, cat toys, people toys, you name it it's in there. I'll trade that storage over another window I'd keep covered up anyday.

1) Hull deadlights are vertical, fairly small, and introduce very little heat to the boat. Horizontal deck hatches have to be the worst for causing the temperature to rise, but they are all still made with translucent material.

2) Most boats haven't had a wall of cabinets behind the settees for decades. The designers typically put a break between cabinetry to open the space visually, allowing the eye to see full width of the beam and eliminate the claustrophobic feel you'd get in anything smaller than 53'. The hull deadlights go in those spaces.

Matt

[CatNewBee]

Originally Posted by markpierce

Cave like? Seems more seaworthy.

On a Cat you have both, 2 caves in the hulls and a villa on top. Only beating to the wind is a little uncomfy and causes strange bumpy motion like on an offroad trail , better in a mono in that point of sail, despite the heeling. Your drink will still not spill in a cat in the aft cockpit except its really a tough ride, then even the hardtop will not protect you from a salt water shower...

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

OhIt's a well known fact, whales consider cat's to be their friends.

https://youtu.be/1kmnILhYiR4

https://youtu.be/xQ41HOk7NNU

They probably feel safer, knowing they wont be hit by a wildly rolling keel, or a boat sinking on top of them...

These must be the few remaining who haven’t seen a relative speared by a catamaran mast.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

Absolutely! Everywhere you look you see caves floating about.

And caves are fine. Humans lived in caves for thousands of years.

Some of us have moved on.

Those of us in monos don’t need to go into our caves during the day since our cabin isn’t so high that it blocks all the wind from flowing through our cockpit.

[belizesailor]

Originally Posted by Midtownsails

... My impression with a monohull, especially an aft cockpit model, is that the sailing experience is more vivid. The sailing experience feels more real. One is closer to the water. There's the feeling of being more connected to the water and wind in an aft cockpit monohull than the raised center cockpit and even more so on a catamaran. Those boats give the feeling of being more cut off and removed from the elements. ...

As you point out in your original post, it mostly depends on boat design. Sure, most modern "condomaran" builds have less of a sense of sailing and the elements, but not so on more performance oriented multis...especially a beach cat or high-performance bigger cat/tri.

Sailing something like a Hobie 16 you are in constant contact with the elements and the sensation of sailing. Same for my Hobie 33 (racing mono)...you feel every little puff.

Thats all great fun for day sailing, but would really suck on a long crossing.

[CatNewBee]

There are cruising performance cats even with a real rudder stick aft, like the Outremar. More feeling than you ever need on passages... But they also have a wheel and an autopilot.

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by Akapeterc

I am yet to see a catamaran where you can sit and steer the boat and not be exposed to the elements I can stand behind my wheel on my yacht it can be pooring rain and I’m not even getting wet.

Here's a Maine Cat 41 with all lines led to the protected bimini.



Manta 42

[tomfl]

I like the non cave view on my boat.

[malbert73]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

Here's a Maine Cat 41 with all lines led to the protected bimini.



Manta 42

Funny you mention. For me those are cats I would consider owning. And outremer. And oram 44.
Not the other 95% of cats out there where you steer behind a wall or perched up in a ridiculous flybridge