Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 02-09-2011, 22:45   #316
Registered User
 
ShaunJ's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Md, USA
Posts: 430
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

314 Post's and still going. This is the best thread I have read in a long time.
I am no history buff so I will leave that to you guys. As for the Jolly Rodger, never for me.
__________________

__________________
ShaunJ
I get knocked down...But get up again...
You're never going to keep me down....


ShaunJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2011, 23:20   #317
Registered User
 
Surfer Girl's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 159
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

With all the imagery of the Cat's blood soaked bag and the dried blood and skin left on the knots from previous flog-ees, etc - I am thinking about all the nasty infections (some life threatening, I'm sure) that would've occurred via the Cat 'O Nine Tails... pretty gruesome thought.

History is cool but remember that 'his story' depends on who gets to write it... and as always, there are (at least) 2 sides to every story. I think it has already been mentioned that one person's Pirate is another person's Government Contractor. Still, I'm enjoying the stories...
__________________

__________________

Surfer Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2011, 23:55   #318
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3
Just to chime in from colder waters, I sail the Port Huron to Mackinac Race, and I make it a point to fly the black beard flag, so people know who just passed them. :-)
__________________
Mhprincipe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 00:15   #319
Registered User
 
Don1500's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: On Board, just above the water
Boat: Marine Trader 47
Posts: 1,176
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Black Beard? I thought he was dead.
Or do you have a blak beard?
__________________
The Nomad Blog Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
Everything I know about cruising I learned from Travis McGee - http://theroamingnomad.com
Don1500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 00:37   #320
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Mexico, USA
Boat: International Etchells USA 125 Black Magic, Santana 20 475 Ghost, Hobie 33 3100 Bruja, dinghies,
Posts: 1,118
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

One contemporary writer of historical fiction (Dewey Lambdin) made a comment that books about the strikes at Spithead and the Nore are shelved under "industrial relations" because they are much about the development of labor movements. He also made a great distinction between the first strike, in the south at Portsmouth, which remained focused primarily on pay, working conditions, and fair weights and provisions, vs. the Nore, in which the demands were greater and in which more radical elements seemed to predominate.

And, did the red cockades/green cockades stuff actually happen in Parker's floating republic?
__________________
Pat, from the Desert Sea http://desertsea.blogspot.com
rgscpat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 00:42   #321
Registered User
 
Don1500's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: On Board, just above the water
Boat: Marine Trader 47
Posts: 1,176
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by rgscpat View Post
One contemporary writer of historical fiction (Dewey Lambdin) made a comment that books about the strikes at Spithead and the Nore are shelved under "industrial relations" because they are much about the development of labor movements. He also made a great distinction between the first strike, in the south at Portsmouth, which remained focused primarily on pay, working conditions, and fair weights and provisions, vs. the Nore, in which the demands were greater and in which more radical elements seemed to predominate.

And, did the red cockades/green cockades stuff actually happen in Parker's floating republic?
What the F___K are you talking about? And how does this relate to Piracy and flying the Jolly Roger?
__________________
The Nomad Blog Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
Everything I know about cruising I learned from Travis McGee - http://theroamingnomad.com
Don1500 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 00:45   #322
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New Mexico, USA
Boat: International Etchells USA 125 Black Magic, Santana 20 475 Ghost, Hobie 33 3100 Bruja, dinghies,
Posts: 1,118
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeptunesTrident View Post
Yes, and I detest Andrew Jackson. An SOB of the first order, and an anti constitutionalist. He was the first in a long line of late.
But Old Hickory was smarter than governor Claiborne about seeing eye-to-eye with Jean LaFitte and using the pirate and his men at the Battle of New Orleans in the service of the United States.
__________________
Pat, from the Desert Sea http://desertsea.blogspot.com
rgscpat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 00:46   #323
Registered User
 
MarinerJo's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Seattle,Wa
Posts: 202
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don1500 View Post
What the F___K are you talking about? And how does this relate to Piracy and flying the Jolly Roger?

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
__________________
Time you enjoyed wasting wasn't wasted
MarinerJo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 01:39   #324
Registered User
 
Katiusha's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 800
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don1500 View Post
What the F___K are you talking about? And how does this relate to Piracy and flying the Jolly Roger?
Spithead was an anchorage near Portsmouth where 16 ships in the Channel Fleet protested living conditions and demanded a pay raise - a mutiny.

Nore was one of the North Fleet bases where a mutiny broke out on HMS Sandwich because of bad living conditions. Richard Parker ended up being the President of the Delegates. Other ships joined the mutiny and organised blockage of the Thames with only "approved" ships being able to pass. This was called "Parker's Floating Republic".

Not sure about the colours of the cockades...

__________________
Katiusha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 01:57   #325
Registered User
 
markpierce's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Central California
Boat: M/V Carquinez Coot
Posts: 3,416
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
To communicate that message, I'd fly something like the "Don't Tread on Me" flag. But maybe that would be too patriotic for some.
__________________
Kar-KEEN-ez Koot
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 02:35   #326
Registered User
 
Katiusha's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 800
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

I've always thought that flying Jolly Roger is very incensitive. Why? Because the first association with Jolly Roger is "pirates". The first association with "pirates" is "Somalia" (list of engaged ships in 2011: List of ships attacked by Somali pirates in 2011 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

If you were one of the people kidnapped or if you saw one of your buddies killed in front of your eyes by pirates, would you appreciate seeing a sign proclaiming that another boat on your anchorage is a "pirate", albeit "a Hollywood one"? I would say that such attitude could be similar to wearing white hoods, standing by the burning cross, and explaining and "it's just the Hollywood movie we like". Another example would be walking with your arm stretched out forward with your palm down and a Hindu peace/good luck sign on your sleeve and saying that you "just like the bright future described by The Leader"

Nevertheless, it's always good to read up on the topic. Turns out that contemporary use of Jolly Roger (like someone already mentioned here) was started by British Navy, specifically by Admiral Sir Arthur Wilson. He stated that submarines were "underhand, unfair, and damned un-English", and that he would convince the British Admiralty to have the crews of enemy submarines captured during wartime hanged as pirates. So HMS E9, after torpedoing SMS Hela, displayed Jolly Roger upon entering port. Thus modern tradition started in British Navy.

The last time Jolly Roger was flown by British Navy was in June 2011 by HMS Triumph on returning from Operation Ellamy in Libya with 6 Tomahawk axes indicating fired missiles. Some US air squadrons also fly Jolly Roger as their insignia.

So after reading up on all of this I'm starting to think that maybe I would not be so disquieted next time I see a Jolly Rogers flying on a cruising boat - what true pirate in their right mind declares being a pirate to the world? Obviously it'll be a fake. I'd still be worried to cross paths with a submarine with a Jolly Rogers. Maybe the following flag would be more of a worry:



Peace
__________________
Katiusha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 05:10   #327
Don't ask if you can't handle it
 
sailorboy1's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: On the boat somewhere
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 12,319
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

I was worried about the posts for a while. It seemed people were getting much more interested whips than I would have expected and appeared that some knew a lot about it.
__________________
jobless, houseless, clueless, living on a boat and cruising around somewhere
sailorboy1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 05:21   #328
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 9
pirate Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by NeptunesTrident View Post
Boatman61 and all the mature Europeans he speaks of.

And the rest of us are infintile, I guess.

Mark me down in the "infantile" column.... I still think "poo" jokes are funny....
__________________
robertfraser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 05:57   #329
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Oahu, HI
Boat: Pearson Vanguard 32
Posts: 47
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Lucas View Post
I was worried about the posts for a while. It seemed people were getting much more interested whips than I would have expected and appeared that some knew a lot about it.
Whips aren't always a bad thing.
__________________
Acedude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2011, 06:02   #330
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 9,312
Images: 75
Re: Jolly Roger, Pirates and Political Correctness

Pyracy Pub
__________________

__________________
my catamaran building project updates http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...36#post2502136
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:52.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.