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31-07-2016, 11:56
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey
More YAWN. We were talking about JL. Your whatever-logic doesn't pass the sniff test.
I bet you are one of those nims that makes an argument like:
"That sailor over there dumps trash in the ocean, why are you picking on me for dumping my trash? Its ok."
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You lose.
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31-07-2016, 12:17
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#92
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by buzzstar
That statement somehow resembles calling Melville lucky because he wrote Moby Dick before Greenpeace existed.
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Not at all. Moby Dick is an exploration of the psyche of a man with an obsession and where it takes him - sort of theme for all ages only the context varies. Whereas Jack London's stuff is primarily adventure stories - in which the settings are dependant upon the circumstances of a particular age.
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31-07-2016, 12:57
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#93
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by RaymondR
Not at all. Moby Dick is an exploration of the psyche of a man with an obsession and where it takes him - sort of theme for all ages only the context varies. Whereas Jack London's stuff is primarily adventure stories - in which the settings are dependant upon the circumstances of a particular age.
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You appear both confuse and justify misplaced critique with the stories and their themes.
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31-07-2016, 15:14
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by buzzstar
You appear both confuse and justify misplaced critique with the stories and their themes.
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Raymond is right. You loose this time.
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31-07-2016, 15:26
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Raymond is right. You loose this time.
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Wrong. Your fail, and you are smart enough to know it, but not wise enough to admit it.
In any event, if you need the last word, go ahead. I shall not reply.
Fair winds.
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31-07-2016, 15:34
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
Ahhh, ain't it grand? Internet intellectuals arguing about philosophical constructs on a sailing forum... sheesh...
Jim
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31-07-2016, 15:35
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by buzzstar
Wrong. Your fail, and you are smart enough to know it, but not wise enough to admit it.
In any event, if you need the last word, go ahead. I shall not reply.
Fair winds.
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No problem. Perhaps you should go back to catching up on your chapter books, such as London, and when you are ready for something that might stretch the intellect, such as allegory, head over to an elementary 19th century American Literature class.
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31-07-2016, 19:12
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
It's good fun Jim.
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01-08-2016, 00:44
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
Ahhh, ain't it grand? Internet intellectuals arguing about philosophical constructs on a sailing forum... sheesh...
Jim
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it's all about philosophy, Jim.
even sailing
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01-08-2016, 02:20
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by Simonsays
it's all about philosophy, Jim.
even sailing
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Yeah, I kinda get that, and my personal philosophy does not include ridiculing another CF member,or anyone for that matter, for their choice of literature.
I read for entertainment for the most part, not for moral uplifting or cosmic enlightenment or having my heart rendered. We don't have a TV, seldom view movies... we read a lot of books. Some are trash, some pretty good, some are downright enlightening (not so damn many, that)... but I don't feel the need to denigrate someone else's choice of entertainment, even when it is distasteful to me.
Self appointed judges of literary greatness... well, they sound a lot like freshman english lit students pontificating over a few too many beers... all experts in what YOU should read, and how you should interpret it.
Fie upon them...
Jim
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01-08-2016, 05:49
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
@Jim I don't abide by passive or California group hug lit, saying "Oh everything is sooo beautifuly and as long as it's not being mean to children... Peace and love."
All you are doing is enabling and being co-dependent. You need to fight for good lit. People on boats don't have wall to throw their bad books against. I suggest a good tanker when you get the chance.
OOoh,,, lookie what I found:
"London was vulnerable to accusations of plagiarism"
"Some critics have said that his novels are episodic and resemble linked short stories"
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01-08-2016, 06:28
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
London made his money by selling episodes to newspapers. Nothing new there. Charles Dickens did the same.
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01-08-2016, 07:37
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by TrentePieds
Speaking of the Chilcoot, the "Bard o' the North", Robert Service gave us this:
Revered as Johny Cash and Hank Snow may be by Americans, their renderings of Sam McGee just don't cut it. Sam McGee may have been "from Tennessee" as the poem has it, but Robert Service sure wasn't. He was born in Lancashire and educated in Scotland, and he would have spoken with that distinctive Canadian accent that was common still when I came here, and carried so much of Scotland in it.
Service was Kipling's junior by some ten years and was, not unnaturally, affected by Kipling's work given that the both reached the height of their productivity before it was realized, popularly, that the grandeur of the Victorian Age, the splendor of the Raj, and the "full spectrum dominance" of the time, residing in the RN were all in their death throes.
For all the protestations of the professional sages in the CanLit crowd, and their opposite numbers in AmLit, that neither Kipling nor Service "wrote poetry", both of them reflected the sentiments of the "common man" of their time and place, and gave voice to those sentiments in a form that thrilled the "common man" - and still thrills me :-)
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My favorite poem. Had to memorize it in grade eight. I've been at Lake LaBarge. When the wind blows, even in summer, it is flippin' COLD.
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01-08-2016, 12:34
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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All you are doing is enabling and being co-dependent. You need to fight for good lit. People on boats don't have wall to throw their bad books against. I suggest a good tanker when you get the chance.
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BS
Jim
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01-08-2016, 14:35
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#105
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Re: Jack London - An Inspiring Example for Adventure
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
BS
Jim
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Which of his Bull is S?
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