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Old 29-03-2012, 17:32   #121
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Re: Impound !

Originally Posted by markpierce View Post
I never said or thought anything like that!
and @delmarrey

(So the start of my previous post was sarcasm.. sorry it was missed)

I apologize, and did not attempt to jump the gun (no gun thread intended), just saw so much critisism of cops and CG.. I may have been projecting, as I have seen other threads tear into these guys.

I have been lucky and managed to experience great Harbor Patrol (@Avalon, Whites Cove) with service OVER and ABOVE the call of duty.

I have been lucky with the Coast Guard and Homeland Security Guys as well, and, as of yet (and hopefully NEVER) have not required their services getting me out of a bad spot.

I am sure that there are guys in the service that are BAD and just looking to make trouble.. I truly believe that those 'troublemakers' are a minority... and often the public 'servants' have little latitude to act, and are hamstrung by regulations..

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"I probably am missing something... What states have compulsory militia service? And at the federal level? Is this discussion about the United States?"
Yes, the United States. The federal militia laws are probably in USC 10, the state laws vary but usually service is mandated in a state constitution and then further detailed in the "State Military Laws" or various other titles that vary from state to state. Inthe US, militia service became a problem after the civil war when various raiders calimed they were lawful militia. As a result the US eventually turned the word "militia" into a dirty word, and promoted the "National Guard" system. A NYS Militia unit actually was called "The National Guard" prior to that, others have also contested first use of the term. The Dick Miltiia Act (1903?) was the first part of the restructuring, by which the federal government pays for state militia expenses in exchange for the states following a uniform federal program and seconding their militia to federal service on the request of the president, with the consent of each state governor. Compulsory militia service has also been called the justification for the federal draft, because you are compelled to serve when called, under state and federal law, although each may differ slightly and conflicts have occurred.
The wiki can give you a good start:
Militia (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Typically the "mandatory" part today is for all makes ages 17/18-45/55 to serve "when called". Actual active service (like universal service in the Swiss or Israeli military) is not required, except "when called" i.e. by the draft.

George Washington called the colonial militia his greatest asset and worst curse. The men fought valiantly and he couldn't wage war without them. But they were farmers, and when it was time to bring in the harvest, they WENT HOME and refused to come back until the harvest was in. That's always been the "militia problem" in the United States, the fact that it perversely has both top-down and bottom-up command.

Last time there was a major attempt to use a state militia in the US was in 1973, when the Great Commonwealth of Massachussetts notified the Defense Department that they were recalling all of their draftees for home duty due to the state of emergency and the communist threat (Vietnam). In other words, draft someone else, we're ending it for our boys.

A special US Supreme Court tribunal had to take that one up out of session, and the weasels actually came back and said "Yes, you have a right to recall them, you have priority for their service. But you can't recall them for home defense until there is an immenent threat to your borders, until then the Army can keep them."

If you ever want to piss off a USSC justice, just try recalling him from a fly fishing trip when he's on summer vacation.

And as that was pre-internet and a radical kick in the ass for the government--you'll probably find no mention of it on any internet source today. You also won't find any text of the 1903 Dick Militia Act, or any of the other acts that create the modern US National Guard. Even their own historical web site, which mentions their charters, does not reference the text of any of them.

Militia is a British Crown tradition, so I'd expect it to apply in some way to all Commonwealth countries. When The Crown was the law, one of the Kings imposed a militia duty on all able-bodied townsmen in all towns, holding the town itself responsible if they didn't actively seek out ruffians and thieves who had committed crimes in their areas. It was a way to ensure that if someone got robbed in a tavern, or in a carriage, the locals would make an effort to find the robber--or be forced to pay for it.

The modern use of the word, bandied about by the "press" to mean "armed camo whackos", is really Orwellian. A true militia has a full chain of command, and supports a state (not necessarily the government, but the state and the people of the state) and has got nothing to do with camo whackos rejecting government.

And to come back to sailing...AFAIK there are only two US states, Ohio and NY, that currently have naval militias. (The Texas Navy is an honorary thing, not a real force.) Active duty personnel in both sign a "dual contract" for both state and federal service. NYS used to maintain a first-line warship (i.e.heavy cruiser) under the name "New York" although I have no idea if the latest USS New York (recently launched) is simply USN or in dual service.

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Every time I see the USCG, they are "flying" by at over 25-knots going wherever fast and making large wakes. On a mission? (In this photographed example, I believe it was practice/training as I heard no radio communication.)

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We have the Cajun Navy in Louisiana !! Every boat ya see is armed to the teeth !!! LOL
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I've served with Coasties and they do a great job, usually under extreme conditions.

I've seen good water patrols and bad, most of the ones up here are looking for people drinking and boating, or fishing illegally. Some have an attitude, but most do not, much like the one's I have run across in the Gulf.


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