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Old 05-04-2015, 15:40   #136
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Re: CF Member Rescued After Being Lost at Sea For 66 Days-Merged

Given the difficulty "the media" have in getting the facts straight on any story, I think using correct nautical terminology in the interviews we're talking about would be worse than what we're seeing. Since most of the intended audience are landlubbers, "strings that hold up the mast" works for me.
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Old 05-04-2015, 15:45   #137
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Given the difficulty "the media" have in getting the facts straight on any story, I think using correct nautical terminology in the interviews we're talking about would be worse than what we're seeing. Since most of the intended audience are landlubbers, "strings that hold up the mast" works for me.
I consider that dumbing down, and liken it to wealth redistribution. But that's just me.
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I consider that dumbing down, and liken it to wealth redistribution. But that's just me.
Unless he was referring to Dyneema or Spectra, in which case, we could let it slide.
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Yeah, that would be confusing. Especially if you had both on board. I was just trying to point out that Nautical terms are mostly universal and most sailors will understand things like head and head stay and not compare it to regional terms like Pop and Soda.
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Re: CF Member Rescued After Being Lost at Sea For 66 Days-Merged

I was being a wise-acre.
I sent him a PM and hope he comes back on the forum to fill in the missing details on his adventure.
I have a feeling that he'll have a few lessons under his belt before he takes another offshore trip.
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I was being a wise-acre.
I sent him a PM and hope he comes back on the forum to fill in the missing details on his adventure.
I have a feeling that he'll have a few lessons under his belt before he takes another offshore trip.
I knew that. It's why I used head and head stay.
I agree he should come on and give the details. I'm particularly interested in the survival story. You have to be made of metal to get thru that ordeal. It's a big ocean.
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Obviously a story of the loss of a sailboat or some kind of mishap or incident requiring rescue or abandonment of a boat will draw comments from many points of view and types of comments too (some critical, some apologetic, some reasonable, some questioning, some dogmatic).

I know posting this may luff some sails here, butů

I think any sailor who survives the capsizing of a keel boat multiple times offshore deserves a "glad you survived" from a community of sailors.

I think any sailor who survives while adrift for many days offshore deserves a "glad you survived" from a community of sailors.

I think any sailor who survives months offshore on meager food and water, deserves a "glad you survived" from a community of sailors.

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We can all make poor judgements based on our own experience or our own bias or taste or view or lack of knowledge.

I am glad that someone posted the photos showing the sailor Louis Jordan with very short hair (buzz cut). That clearly shows that an assumption based on a single photo of the same man hours after his rescue can be wrong.

I made the statement that the rescued man's short hair was a surprise to me, because I assumed something based on my POV and my own experience (i.e. that MY hair would have been longer and shaggy after 66 days without a hair cut).

When I posted my observation about hair length earlier in this thread, I did so with some amusement (at myself), because I think I would have looked a lot worse after 64 days of meager rations and little water. I was honestly surprised that he looked so good. So, I chuckle at myself, not at the survivor.

I know after I came off a boat after 30 days and nights nonstop on a moving boat on the Pacific ocean, I looked scruffy, smelled more than usual, and walked like a drunken sailor when I first got on terra firma. The motion of the ocean lasted a long time with me, and it was funny to feel the solid land moving beneath my feet.

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Don't be misled by one's own experience to think everyone will experience the same.
Don't expect a single photo to tell a story.
Don't let the length of a person's hair matter.
Thank you for that and it is well said.

His being raised in a basket aboard a helicopter and his walking down a corridor after a helicopter ride were hours or days after he was aboard a cargo ship. I'm certain he had a chance to take a shower and get some rest as well as water and food. When on a Navy ship and rescueing boat people in the 70s and 80s we (the crew) donated soap, shampoo, extra clothes, food and had showers set up as well as a place to eat even if they were aboard for just a few hours.
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this pretty much summons up how I fell about this fish story--

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So what are "We" to do to stop it?
You have to have an inspection and license to take a boat out of the harbor?
When I wrote the above quote, I wrote it "tongue in cheek." We do not need more regulations in the boating community or our personal lives. The sad consequence is that when people who are obviously ill-prepared to venture offshore do so throwing all caution to the wind and at great expense to the CG, we are sliding on a fast track to government regulation. The pot is not full. We are 18 trillion dollars in debt and rising. Good luck and good sailing. R
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Well, if he had an epirb...

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Would the CG rescue be any less costly? And, the fact that he didn't have an EPIRB is another example of his incompetency. No problem there. R
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Its a shame that we're not all as brilliant and mistake free as some on this forum.
I can't cast the first stone, but guess some on here feel they can.

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Gee, Bob, you appear to dislike people who have opinions and are capable of taking a stand on issues. My stand is clear: there are far too many incompetent people taking to the sea without a well found boat and credible experience and expecting to be rescued at great cost to us taxpayers when something goes wrong. It leads to more unnecessary government regulation. Would you climb Mt. Everest ill-prepared and on a whim? If you did . . . you would have no compassion from people like me in a worst case scenario since the act of climbing a mountain without proper preparation and lack of experience would be a indication of your naivete and selfishness. Why should taking to the sea be different? Our world is changing rapidly and there are many who believe freedom means the ability to do anything one wants--regardless of its consequences to the person or others, since it is their right. These are obviously people who have no knowledge of American History or the meaning of freedom. Early in my sailing experience, I had a strong desire to sail at a higher level than which I was properly prepared. I didn't throw caution to the wind, but waited until my sailing skills and experience matched the level of sailing I desired. It didn't mean that I would never suffer a mishap, but rather that I knew I was capable of handling whatever happened in a worse case scenario and would probably not have to press the panic button for an unnecessary rescue. There are many experienced sailors on this Forum who have honed their skills in a similar fashion. So, it has nothing to do with brilliance or being "mistake free," but rather taking a serious, intelligent, competent approach to a pastime/sport/hobby that has the potential for injury and loss of human life. You're not playing checkers with Grandpa.
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Re: CF Member Rescued After Being Lost at Sea For 66 Days-Merged

Some of Louis' threads on Cruisers Forum (LiveaboardL) certainly lend a bit of insight...


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I was rewiring my boat after smoking a little herb and now whenever I run my bilge pump, the bilge water empties into the cockpit while, at the same time, pushing some of the bilge water out of the boat like it should.

When the bilge pump is turned off, the water slowly drains from the cockpit back into the bilge.

Now get this, my other bilge pump sucks water from my cockpit and empties it into the bilge, but on only one side. I think the other side is clogged or something.

So while one bilge pump sucks, the other one blows. Damn I've been watching too much FAP.

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Haha c'mon Maine, surely you must have appreciated the raise battery voltage for inverter thread as well
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