Call for Help/ This American Life (Merged)

[Andrew B.]

That's a cover shot if I have ever saw one ! And happy fathers day, at least it here in the U.S.

[Andrew B.]

[QUOTE=colemj;1564452]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Nobody makes it unless they quit. And then they don't make it.

Mark

I'm confused. I am with you about those that quit not making it.


"Nobody makes it unless they quit." Help me understand this part.

[colemj]

Sorry I forgot the smiley. One poster stated some kids don't make it and another poster stated some adults don't make it. The "it" they were referring to was life. I was just playing with the old saying "Nobody makes it out of this world alive".



Mark

[boatman61]

[QUOTE=Andrew B.;1564886]

Originally Posted by colemj

I'm confused. I am with you about those that quit not making it.


"Nobody makes it unless they quit." Help me understand this part.

I really hate these 'Quote' 'Misquotes'...
I said...
'Most adults make it... a few don't..'
Colemj said...
Nobody makes it unless they quit."
Which totally confused me...
I think he's smoking the Whacky Baccy again....

[colemj]

Again, I apologize for not being a good joke maker.

(soon to be my signature, I guess...)

Mark

[Andrew B.]

Originally Posted by colemj

Again, I apologize for not being a good joke maker.

(soon to be my signature, I guess...)

Mark

Buy boatie a few beers and I bet he can teach you all kinds of funny things
to say. Well that is if you can understand a damn thing he's saying...

I plan on using weavis as a interpreter ! On second though.....never mind...lol

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by Andrew B.

letsgosailing,

Since you seem to believe that one's opinion, and/or beliefs should backed
up with irrefutable data would you mind sharing yours regarding what seems to be your contention that sailing with children is more dangerous than other childhood activities. eg soccer, baseball, rugby, football, riding a bicycle, etc...

I can't believe anyone would think that sailing isn't more dangerous than any of these sports. Maybe in an opti but really, sailing in a boat of any size any long distance is much more dangerous. I'm doing it right now with a 17 and 20 year old and have to watch what is going on all the time. The list of serious dangers is too long to post and I'm worried that you all don't see them.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Palarran

I can't believe anyone would think that sailing isn't more dangerous than any of these sports. Maybe in an opti but really, sailing in a boat of any size any long distance is much more dangerous. I'm doing it right now with a 17 and 20 year old and have to watch what is going on all the time. The list of serious dangers is too long to post and I'm worried that you all don't see them.

Hey... Rik Mayall just died after going out for his healthy morning jog... if you start thinking about it staying in bed can kill you.. the ceiling may collapse.. Sheesh.. lets get paranoid guys..

[colemj]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Hey... Rik Mayall just died after going out for his healthy morning jog... if you start thinking about it staying in bed can kill you.. the ceiling may collapse.. Sheesh.. lets get paranoid guys..

Since it takes one to know one (joke telling impaired), let me just say that Pallaran forgot to add the "tongue-in-cheek" emoticon.

Think WAAAAAAAY back to when you were 17 and 20…

Mark

[accomplice]

I certainly do not believe that sailing is more inherently dangerous than many other sports. I have no seen no objective evidence of that.

I do suspect that racing is more dangerous than cruising (I sustained a serious head injury while racing when I was young), but again, I have no hard data to support this hunch either.

I do know that each year in the US over 3.5 million kids under 14 receive medical treatment for sports injuries, and that high school athletes account for another 2 million injuries each year.

On what basis would anyone assert that sailing, whether racing or family cruising, is more dangerous than any other activity?

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by colemj

Think WAAAAAAAY back to when you were 17 and 20…

Mark

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... that's when I did a lot of time in the Glasshouse (RNDQ's) for going AWOL after getting drunk and falling in love.. now that is dangerous..

[Palarran]

Originally Posted by accomplice

I certainly do not believe that sailing is more inherently dangerous than many other sports. I have no seen no objective evidence of that.

I do suspect that racing is more dangerous than cruising (I sustained a serious head injury while racing when I was young), but again, I have no hard data to support this hunch either.

I do know that each year in the US over 3.5 million kids under 14 receive medical treatment for sports injuries, and that high school athletes account for another 2 million injuries each year.

On what basis would anyone assert that sailing, whether racing or family cruising, is more dangerous than any other activity?

Where did you get your statistics on sports injuries? Is there a link?

In regard to the red

Personal observation of both. My son plays Lacrosse. From the age of 12 to 20, now at the College level, he has played consistently and not been injured in a sport which has a fair amount of contact. Very few do and I don't see other kids loosing limbs. But on a boat the loads on your running rigging can cut off fingers or smash body parts in a second. Even anchoring can be dangerous if your not performed properly. I'm not saying to not do it, as we obviously are right now, but IMO, it's substantially more dangerous for serious injuries then playing soccer, basketball, baseball, or whatever given the amount of kids playing those compared to sailing off or near shore.

As others have posted, life is full of danger and it can't stop you from following your passion, I just think we need to recognize that our sport does have an element of serious danger to it.

[chall]

Her crotch strap drives her crazy, but she deals with it. It was a dangerous voyage in Pittwater 10 knots gusting 12. Genoa only so we could go slowly and look for ducks and the ever elusive penguins. Only injury reported was to a dinghy oar.

While this statistical probability debate is interesting, in reality statistics can only ever be a broad stroke and therefore not very helpful in analysing the actual risks an individual may face.

We try and use a bit of common sense in whatever we do.

[accomplice]

Originally Posted by Palarran

Where did you get your statistics on sports injuries? Is there a link?

Statistics

[letsgetsailing3]

[QUOTE=accomplice;1565297]

I believe that cruising has risks that are higher than staying home. It seems to me to be basic common sense that if you go from a place where you have more relative control over water, food, shelter, and events to a place where you have less control over these basic needs then you are adding risk. You're more exposed to the elements. This is why most people live in houses if they have the opportunity, and not small, fiberglass boxes.

Don't misunderstand me -- I think the risks are worth it, but I don't really understand some people's need to deny that they exist. For me, the dangerous bit isn't that there are risks, it's denying that they are there.