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Old 09-09-2014, 14:30   #61
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Re: Anchoring Debate in Florida Continues

The antipathy of home owners on the water front to boaters who live on the water has roots in the concept of "no visable means of support". They think boaters in modest sized yachts who live on board are suspect. The fact that proper living aboard is a substantial undertaking that requires both money and planning is opaque to land dwellers. They don't get it and they are suspicious and easily frightened. After all boats are for fishing or water skiing or day sailing. Nonconformity is disturbing. Why they ask, " can't you just be happy with jet ski"? Its the condo conformist mentality. Its about "keeping the loonies off the grass". If you showed up in a mega yacht you would be envied not regulated to death.
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Assuming facts not in evidence.
That's it? That's all you got? After pages and pages of opinion loaded diatribe from you, your complaint is that I have no evidence for my opinion?

Thanks, Mr. Economics Professor. You might want to venture out into the real world some day. Call me back after that happens. We'll talk.
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I'm adding Soverel, Captain Bill, and Tomfl to my list of posters to follow. Whether i agree with them or not, those guys have actual real world experience.
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The antipathy of home owners on the water front to boaters who live on the water has roots in the concept of "no visable means of support". They think boaters in modest sized yachts who live on board are suspect. The fact that proper living aboard is a substantial undertaking that requires both money and planning is opaque to land dwellers. They don't get it and they are suspicious and easily frightened. After all boats are for fishing or water skiing or day sailing. Nonconformity is disturbing. Why they ask, " can't you just be happy with jet ski"? Its the condo conformist mentality. Its about "keeping the loonies off the grass". If you showed up in a mega yacht you would be envied not regulated to death.
I suppose that makes you feel better but is it a solution?

The issue is not with boaters who spend a night or two and move on, it's with people who take up residence in public space and often look like hobos while doing it.
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I will nominate Ann T Cate and WifeyB then.

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I suppose that makes you feel better but is it a solution?

The issue is not with boaters who spend a night or two and move on, it's with people who take up residence in public space and often look like hobos while doing it.
I think you agree with me. A hobo has no visible means of support. Thus the suspicion. Such generalizations are however anti freedom. There is a solution, its being implemented. Folks will maintain conformity to the satisfaction of land owners, period. The solution promotes injustice. Add it to the weight of the whole heap, its short sighted but it will happen. Retired boaters are a minority that will hold no sway. They will just have to go elsewhere.
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I got to looking at the anchoring ordinance in sarasota. It seems anchoring is allowed as long as its 150 feet from homes and the mooring field. And the vessel has to move after 90 days. Where pray tell....the mooring field is acceptable. Then go anchor again. They also allow time for mechanical repairs and weather windows. So a law may in fact be on the books but it does not in fact keep anyone from being able to anchor. Legally. Ive seen police use scare tactics in the distant past but the only ones they drive away are those that dont know the law. I make it a point to know it better than them.

I also keep my vessel legal so when they approach (which its been years for me) i can say how may i assist you officer.

It does help that i knew a legal head wasnt a brothel in nevada when i started.

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I got to looking at the anchoring ordinance in sarasota. It seems anchoring is allowed as long as its 150 feet from homes and the mooring field. And the vessel has to move after 90 days. Where pray tell....the mooring field is acceptable. Then go anchor again. They also allow time for mechanical repairs and weather windows. So a law may in fact be on the books but it does not in fact keep anyone from being able to anchor.
Yes, there are laws on the books- so why do we need new ones- the one you stated seems very reasonable and should address any issues of concernc on both sides- so the law and the leaders need to be held accountable to uphold the laws already on the books- perhaps these laws should be stated clearly and loudly at the bogus meetings?
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I agree biker. I think these meetings do more to scare away cruisers than anything. And the hoopla just stirs misinformation and apprehension among people.

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Do cruisers come together to rally? I have organized many biker rallies when our leaders were not doing what they should be or to protest unlawful or unconstitutional actions. We've had bikes from across the country come together to help many states away. I have not seen a call to cruisers to get together and attend the meetings- is it becuase it is a transient lifestyle? Not enough notice prior to the meetings? We have done many many call in protests as well- someone gathers the needed phone numbers- distributes them and everyone calls the correct political person in charge to let them know that the discussed, action, law etc is not wanted. Also sending letters. Is this ever done with regards to areas of concern for boaters and cruisers?
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