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Old 12-11-2013, 11:50   #46
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When I'm alone on board, things are quite simple, 10 euros per day for food an less than 10 gallons of fresh water. No TV, no a/c, just basic refrigeration. When others are on board, things get more complicated. But TV is never allowed... We tried it and discovered that TV tended to spoil the cruising experience.
The first item of business after purchase and delivery of the Mason was to disconnect and remove the TV. We gave it away. Don't have commercial TV reception in my house either as it tends to spoil the life experience.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:08   #47
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I'm with sailorboy, I spend very little time fixing the more complicated systems. When things break, it's usually a water pump, so I just replace with one of the spares I always have... Very easy, only 10 minutes or so.
Exactly ... "simplicity" is a two-dimensional term. A very reliable system is "simple." So is one that is easy to maintain. My GPS is hard or impossible for me to repair, but it is completely (so far) reliable, so it is a simple tool. My windlass pretty reliable, but when something goes wrong, I can fix it.

BTW, I do think money matters in this equation as well. As CaptForce said, it can be simpler to have someone else fix your problems if you've got the cash. But then, getting enough money to be able to do this usually a complicated act .
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Remember the Volkswagen beetle?
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:18   #49
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If I fix it myself, I know that it is done right. If I have the service manuals and go slow, I think I can do almost anything. If I am going to sail remote islands, anywhere services are not available, I had better have spare parts for important items, or backup systems. Also, for me there is a satisfaction in repairing something myself. One thing I have learned; however, is do it right the first time. Do not skimp.
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Remember the Volkswagen beetle?
On a related note, I follow the blog of a couple with a kid who just got back from a loop from california around south america in an old VW van.

Most would consider it a simple vehicle. On the other hand is it simple that they are on thier 3rd engine and every other post is about them repairing something on the VW, scrounging for parts, etc...?

Very cool folks and they are out there doing it but simple is definetly a relative term.
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Simple = camping.
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And when you say camping do you mean a camper van or rather a guy with a rucksack?

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Yep, very true. But it sure is simpler to replace one of those motors than a modern one.
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+1!

And when you say camping do you mean a camper van or rather a guy with a rucksack?

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Backpacking. Guy with a rucksack.
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I am reading the posts above and my head goes in circles: do you guys truly associate simplicity with "gensets, aises & macerators" and/or lack of such???

I say this because I feel that simplicity and the presence/absence of gadgets/techs are only remotely related.

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Backpacking. Guy with a rucksack.
We are on the same wave!

Simple=simple.

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I am reading the posts above and my head goes in circles: do you guys truly associate simplicity with "gensets, aises & macerators" and/or lack of such???

I say this because I feel that simplicity and the presence/absence of gadgets/techs are only remotely related.

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Am not sure what you are trying to communicate here. Can you make it simple for the slow guys?
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I am reading the posts above and my head goes in circles: do you guys truly associate simplicity with "gensets, aises & macerators" and/or lack of such???

I say this because I feel that simplicity and the presence/absence of gadgets/techs are only remotely related.

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You can have it both ways. But having a genset and watermaker can make the boat truly self sufficient for extended voyages. During the four months of cruising we rarely if ever come in to a marina, instead prefering to anchor. While at anchor, the genset and watermaker are turned on for an hour a day, other than that... It's the simple life with few needs. I fix and maintain the systems myself in my copious free time at anchor when I'm not napping or listening to tunes on the ipad. The repairs can also be done whilst drinking beer.
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Am not sure what you are trying to communicate here. Can you make it simple for the slow guys?
(lost the original post, ergo the Internet is not simple)

I will try:

A boat with tech / equip / optional extras can still be simple.

A boat without can still be complex.

Digit?

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+1!

And when you say camping do you mean a camper van or rather a guy with a rucksack?

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Use the camper for getting to the park and take the rucksack on the day trip to the lake.

Wonder if there is a parallel to cruising?
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Remember the Volkswagen beetle?
Yep, we had matching 71 Super Bug and Westfalia Campmobile, still miss the camper. They were simple engines, but in need of constant "tinkering" valve adjustments, etc.
If anyone is curious, there were three bolts that held the engine in. Newer vehicles are way more complicated, but our Prius for example won't need it's plugs changed for 125,000 miles, but you have to remove almost the entire cowl to do it. So old tech is constant but simple tinkering, new Tech you have to have special tools and experieince
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