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Old 09-05-2008, 03:14   #16
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But Cooper, isn't your government also telling you "we are one of the cheapest countries in the world for petrol". Ours is and you are a smidgen cheaper there than us today so you must be happy as larry, surely
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:18   #17
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The USA price will hit 200 a barrel in the very near future.
Not so sure bout that. Was listening to a couple of economists this morning and they think the pendulum may swing back soon. The price is all about the fact that Gold dropped and the oil looked a better investment. But now the US is coming out of winter, the reserves are quite high and the market may not be there to buy the stuff. So somewhere along the line, someone has to actually sell some to continue keeping the price up. If the demand drops and no one wants to pay, then it may go down again and they invester's will bail out and back into some other commodity like Gold perhaps again.
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:19   #18
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"we are one of the cheapest countries in the world for petrol"
Maybe one of, but the list is short.
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Sure....but it dont matter.......gents we dont own the oil fields..... it is a bit silly to talk about this in terms of tomorrow. One thing that we have all agreed upon is that it is a finite resource. What we need to do is EXCEPT that oil will get more expensive. Gold has a value in practical terms as an electronics product. But be careful if gold starts going up big time, then it means that currency is no longer believed in. Paper money, countries individual money, becomes unreliable. Solid assets like gold diamonds etc go up in value. It has always been the way. The end of this stupid game is food, warmth shelter. the ultimate trading chips . they will be the commodities that will be the most important. I am not trying to be a doom sayer. It is not even close to that, but it is such a foolish thing to continue to pretend that these resources will last forever. They are becoming more in demand and will continue to do so. They will run out. Therefore they will become more expensive and will continue to do so.

I am a complete and utter bastard...I want to keep doing my thing and BYPASS this problem.....yeh the techo hipppys...

any thoughts ?
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Old 09-05-2008, 14:00   #20
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One thing that we have all agreed upon is that it is a finite resource.
The cost has no relation to it's finality. If it did, then I would say OK. But it doesn't. The world has found more fields over the recent years. NZ has one big one about to be drilled. But it won't reduce the cost here in NZ. Why?? because it will be sold to the highest bidder, not help NZ reduce fuel cost. All of it will be exported. Crazy.
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Old 09-05-2008, 14:28   #21
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I don't quite get it. You are quibling over 30cents a Gallon???
Not so long ago deisel was .30 a gallon.
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Old 09-05-2008, 15:05   #22
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. One thing that we have all agreed upon is that it is a finite resource.
Think this is just bullshit promulgated by Fuel companies to justify exorbitant prices, latest theory is that oil doesnt come from dead dinosaurs but is being constantly produced, some oilfields that theoretically should have run out years ago are still producing and carbon dating tests show that current production has different age to original product go figure, also in New Zealand they are trying to get fisherman to upgrade tickets so they can drive Oilfield support vessels, doesnt sound like an industry going into decline, I think the peak Oil production myth can be piled onto the Global warming compost heap of half truths and bullshit Joe Bloggs get fed with, By the way I dont disagree with climate change it never has and never will be a stable thing
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Old 09-05-2008, 15:41   #23
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. Solid assets like gold diamonds etc go up in value.
any thoughts ?
On the diamonds only:

Diamonds are strictly controlled by a few people who in turn control a few companies that hoard them. The value is all false. If all the diamonds that are in vaults right now came on the market over the - let's just say - next 5 years, a diamond would be worth only a few dollars a carat. I don't have the figures at hand, sorry. Plus they are estimated because those few folks controlling will not say how many they have. Many semi-precious stones are much harder to find (and prettier too) than diamonds. The Russians really messed up the diamond control a number of years ago by finding a lot and putting them on the market. They have since been brought "under control".
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I have bench marked this post....I am interested to see 1/ an overall down wards trend in fuel prices and 2/ that oil is "being made" at a rate that will have a difference to our global needs. Just like most things in life and the internet...if it is to good to be true it probably isnt. Why would they call it "reserves" if it was endless ? here is a government retail fuel price graph. this is an ongoing watch dog so check often and compare. Fuel Graph
...and by the way "the latest research from the internet"...dont bother with the do it home ,you can run your car on water stuff....it takes more energy to separate hydrogen out of water than the energy that you will then gain from the hydrogen itself....

I will personally lick the toe jam out of the feet of someone who can categorically prove that we not using oil at a rate faster than it is being "made".
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I go to the offroad deisel stations, and fill jugs. I only have 2 20 gal. tanks, but I also carry another 40gal. in jugs. I will buy some more jugs next week, and carry a total of 60 gal in jugs. I am anticipating very high cost of fuel in the Bahamas, and the light to non existant winds of summer are coming. Also with the high cost of fuel compared to 2 years ago when I was last out. Will be reason to pull the spinnakers out instead of motoring....LOL
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yep imagine....thats really the practical truth. diesel has gone from 90 cents to 167 cents in six months here......now I would be happy to lay bets that in the next six months that it aint going to be back at 90....whatever the reason....go sailing
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For years I have heard of producing\extracting fuel from coal. I just read about it again this week. The fuel burns cleaner but the process to produce is less so then conventional oil to fuel process. THe US has a huge reserve of coal in the ground, which is used promaily for electric generation, that is not yet been taped. Imagine if the US had started using coal processed to fuel in say, 1976, when I first learned of it. 32 years of independance from imports. Whats the next 32 years going to bring? Hydrogen at this point is good for new vehicals\ motors but what of all the motors already out there? My boat is 12 years old with a life expectancy of FOREVER. My Blazer is now 12 years old with a few more great years in it. Imagine the cost to the working if suddenly the old oil fuel was out lawed?

I'll pay 6.00 US a gallon. 20 gallon tank= 120.00= 1 years motoring, and will keep writng my Senator and congressmen to stop subsidizing BIG oil and start subsidizing the coal industry instead. BIG oil is an international concern where as coal is home grown and can be regulated by goverment. AND they can't screw it up for us any worse then BIG oil.
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Old 20-05-2008, 17:45   #28
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I just paid $4.86/gallon for Diesel in Sausalito, CA

It makes perfect sense why fuel from a boat dock is higher. But yeah, I also think they are not too concerned about turning way their captive audience. The next closest fuel dock for me is in Richmond, CA...about an hour and a half away from the Sausalito fuel dock.
If you paid that in San Francisco, it must be $5.00 here is San Diego...lol
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Old 21-05-2008, 00:08   #29
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I had to put some in on Sunday from our local fuel dock - US$7.10 a gallon (converted)

Oh the pain.... all 4 gallons or 2 months worth of it
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It's has to do with "if they will pay the price, we will continue to charge it". It's just like all other issues of supply and demand. Why does a house on the water cost more than a house without water. D-E-M-A-N-D!!!!!!!!!!! and S-U-P-P-L-Y!!!!!!!!
Heck, I am surprised that marina fuel is as cheap as it is given the fact that you can sail your boat up to the pump at the 7-11!
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