OK, a little bit to work with.........
Originally Posted by roger.waite
Great opportunity for skippers.
$50 donations gratefully received for delightful, practical and eminently sharable experiences with fitting out, swabbing bilges, etc.
Originally Posted by MarkJ
We would do that for a couple provided they pitched in and helped and didnt treat it like it was their luxury cruise
and we were the crew.
My thinking is that waiting until visitors have arrived before hauling out for an antifoul - then leaving them to it whilst you have a cold beer
under a palm tree .......and then charging
'em for the antifoul paint
is probably not in the spirit of things
............but the upside is, if the boat needs a haulout for some reason and means also an opportunity to do an antifoul at the same time then they don't get a refund - even if they are not press ganged.........., it's part of the "real life" package. and why it's cheap
But depending on the crew and what they are looking for from the experiance not impossible that they are
interested in how and where you haulout a 40' fin keel
what a DIY (or yard) antifoul job involves...........remember, that what for you and me may be obvious and mundane can easily be puzzling and of concern to those at the beginning of their learning
curves............a squillion things onboard that would fit into the category of not exactly fun filled entertainment but nonetheless real world useful to learn - if thinking / dreaming of later following in your footsteps..........and most importantly they are often the things that make the beer
at the end of the day taste all the better
Not to say you start a refit
when they arrive
but then again it is not
a commercial charter
where the work involved on a boat gets hidden from guests...........so crew takes the rough with the smooth as part of normal everyday onboard life..That's why it's cheap
Also important that is clearly explained that the fundamental part of the deal is that Crew Guests are not
hiring a skipper
...........they are signing up to be crew members to experiance "real" life, not to say that the Skipper
won't ever try and make their trip interesting / enjoyable
Originally Posted by Starbuck
I'm no expert on what constitutes "for hire," but wouldn't you have to do something like pool the money
, then total expenses, pay from the pot & reimburse the remainder in even shares (or something similar), in order to avoid taking profit?
Very valid concerns.
My understanding is that crew paying expenses only is widely accepted (by licencing authorities and insurers) as non-commercial......but no requirement to physically mix the notes and return any cash not consumed. After all, not all expenses are incurred when the crew member
is onboard, so although the skipper may end up with cash in his pocket at the end of the week it is not automatically "profit". My intention is that not all of the fifty dollars will actually be consumed by the Crew - depends on onboard lifestyle. and maybe fishing
It's to meet boat expenses (that includes crew), not simply a crew allowance.
The most likely point of possible problem (with legal
/ local authorities) I can see is if the skipper prices his "expenses" too high. Easy to claim non-commercial at $1 a day (as that would mean the crew was subsidised!) - less easy at $1000 a day!........the answer to my mind is keeping the headline daily expenses figure low (and wayyyyyy below commercial
rates - the 50 Dollar figure is just a working sum / catchy title - each vessel will set their own rates, just probably wouldn't let those in who were clearly taking the p#ss on "expenses" and were running unlicensed Charters) - even if topped up with the odd supplement (Fifty Dollars a day cruising, plus expenses
)........as long as agreed with both parties in advance...........add into that not taking on crew guests continuously helps demonstrate not a commercial operation (if skipper was fully loading folk 24/7/365 then IMO would be stupid anyway not to go fully commercial licenced etc and up the rates massively)...........the Social Group will include a disclaimer / warning that it is up to both parties to ensure they are each aware of / comfortable with the position.
BTW have not ignored the other responses
Still have my thinking hat on
Also incurred to me, might be a way of forming the basis of a boat swap (saves sailing half way round the world
). Not bareboat
(not at $50!!) but instead swapping roles as guest crew - but nonetheless each covering expenses (overall the same result as free but no one out of pocket at "half time")............want a 60' Cat for $50 a day? Easy, also put one in the deal yourself