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Old 23-12-2009, 12:06   #241
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Good luck to you Fishman. I would be happy with a Bristol 34, those are some nice boats I hear. But since I change boats like I do shirts, I fully understand. I'm saving for a fully restored Ariel or Triton at the moment.
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Old 23-12-2009, 12:33   #242
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Learn midwifery, field surgery and modern herbal medicine and you have all you need to survive post Armageddon Ten thousand doses of a good antibiotic would be of more value than a kilogram of gold.

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Old 23-12-2009, 13:00   #243
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Actually this boat is a joint effort between me and my best bud. She's a nice boat but will end up his once the refit (restoral?) is complete and he moves aboard later down the line. He's the $$ man and I'm the Sweat Equity, Logistics, Researcher, and Sounding Board guy with unlimited boat usage and access (til he moves aboard of course).
I prefer a Cat m'self.

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My sister (used to be married to the above best bud) had all 6 of her kids the hard way. At Home. (OUCH).
Antibiotics some would kill for....
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Old 23-12-2009, 16:14   #244
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I witnessed my daughter getting born thru a midwife, much nicer experience than the hospital for damn sure. If the big **** hits the fan, Id be headed for the South Pacific with 100,000 22 cal rifle bullets, big case of fish hooks, and some alchohol distilling equipment!
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Old 23-12-2009, 16:32   #245
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Old 23-12-2009, 17:05   #246
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You hadda go there.
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Old 23-12-2009, 17:56   #247
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Where would I go if the the world went down the toilet?
If it does I hope its more of a waterworld than a mad max world, only desert in max's world, at least in the water world I would get plenty of use out of my boat
I guess a tropical island, few people and most of what you would eat just growing on the trees, the most important tool thAT i would take is my towel.
if can keep you warm, use as a basket, put around a tree trunk to help climb(got to get those coconut down right). rolled just right it makes a good weapon. just about any island in the south pacific should do. Can't say the name as i don't want it to get too crowded before i get there
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Old 24-12-2009, 19:44   #248
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I guess a tropical island, few people and most of what you would eat just growing on the trees, the most important tool thAT i would take is my towel.
Based on the impending rush I have a serious buy order in on Bed, Bath & Beyond stock.

Dang, markets closed for Christmas - Merry Christmas Polunu. See you on a tropic island somewhere someday, I hope. I'll trade you some fishing line for a towel - LOL...
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A towel makes a great weapon, just grab both ends with one hand, put a rock in the middle like a sling, and either throw the rock or use it as a bludgeon.
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Old 26-12-2009, 05:59   #250
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If USA goes down the gurgler with men women and all, then if you are lucky to survive and make it out on a small boat - then head for Australia. We look after USA whatever USA does or whatever happens to our great friend. You can earn a crust by telling tall stories, maybe fishing or when in season - the fruit-picking circuit can provide a nice little income too.
By the way, the MAD MAX movie was shot in the Australian woop-woop outback, the fair-dinkum never-never red iron-oxide center where men are men and sheep are nervous...
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Old 26-12-2009, 06:31   #251
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I just reread that one Blongsea. I'm still in tears!!! hahahahaha! Good stuff! The sheep up here on the Utah/Wyoming border run, when I pass by as well.
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Old 26-12-2009, 07:58   #252
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Actually, two discussions going on here - one how to maintain your "worth" in a downturn such as the '28 Depression' or recent so-called "global collapse" of markets. Real estate currently doesn't maintain your "worth" in terms of 10 years or less and gold/silver, IMHO, is only a substitute for a good "money-market" account where the objective is to minimize asset depreciation due to inflation.
- - If you are a real "wiz" you can make a fortune in equity markets that collapse and in equity markets that boom. It is all in the "talent" you have for predicting the near future. Of course if you have that talent you would not be perusing this forum but out on your mega-yacht somewhere.
- - The rest of us are simply looking for a way to protect what we currently have as much as possible -and- wondering what we would/could do with our sailboat (life-boat) should there be a capitalist world real collapse that puts up back to a standard of living that existed a thousand or so years ago. The ancient seafarers always did well in any age as their ability to transport goods from source to customers was always in demand.
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Osirissail,

Quite right. Two discussions. My question is along the lines of "If you have wealth how can you retain it if the money system collapses. The new agent would have to be highly concentrated so as to fit on a boat, widely recognized, and needed by many."

I assume that if the money system collapses then things are going to be kind of dicey in the US landside, at least in the big cities. I presume the EU would also be drastically effected. World trade would be disrupted. You would be sailing in less developed areas that are not as reliant on the current globalization structure.

Just for kicks and giggles assume you have $100,000 in current wealth and you can carry 2,000 pounds (one ton) of the stuff. So you would need something of at least $50/pound in value equivalent. ($100,000/2,000 = 50) And, remember, that in such a disruption the value of things would change a lot.

2,000 pounds of payload to devote to this "stuff." A ton of gold is $32,000,000 (2,000 pounds * 16 oz*$1000/oz.)

Some things that come to mind are:

Bleach (sodium hypochlorite)
in a highly concentrated form. Used to purify water. Common bleach is 3% to 6% solution.

Vitamin C - (L-ascorbic acid ) or something else to prevent/cure scurvy

Sulfuric acid, or (sulphuric acid) for batteries and other stuff

Antibiotics or ways to manufacture them.

Sail cloth - probably after some years but not right away?

Not iron or lead as they are pretty ubiquitous now.

Each of the above are problematic in one way or another. Some are pretty nasty things you don't want to get away in a boat. Some have a short shelf life.

Surely there must be better ideas, no?
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You would be sailing in less developed areas that are not as reliant on the current globalization structure.

I really don't think so.
Every "island" is dependent on regular supply.
If not supplied, with the populations on them, most would starve.
Before starvation there would be murderous chaos.
If you are seen approaching your welcome would be very welcome indeed.
But not for your survival.
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i think a watermaker and nursing services/knowledge are important "things" to maintain and share/trade.....
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