Originally Posted by TheThunderbird
You made data collection. Let's try to put it in perspective, now.
I think putting figures not alphabetically would provide a benefit!
First, all boat related, as for technical efficiency/works
It is a 15% of average running costs
Plus a 10% annual provision for x-ordinary items, as needs arise :-)
Then, costs related to boat mgmt
, a healthy 10% (wow! !!??)
Dockage another 15% (portofino, or Palermo? Posh marina, or a funky jetty?)
Thus, we reached 50% of budget
to keep your mistress up&running
THEN, the human factor
and personal necessities (weekly, periodic...) a low 10%
Transportation, back&forth home base to family
Extra (alcohol, gadgets, trips ashore...) say 15%
It is 25% for living aboard
in a decent way
We are left with a hefty 25% of extra-ordinary items (must have now) like alas medical
expenses, and Discretionary Items, like dining out (pizza or *** rest!?) etc.
Wishing the last 25% is for full blown pleasure/hedonism.... I comment this:
1.whatever your sailing area, average annual cost are the same. I feel like you spend 99% of your available pot.... correct?
2.dockage is a problem to any liveaboard
. How do you manage it, in summer, and in winter?
costs are so high! Do they include health
4. Which boat have you? Swan65' or Contessa 31' :-) :-)
5.please keep down alcoholic consumption
, unless you drink single
malt scotch 60eur a bottle (which is my advice, as compared to 5 bottles of commercial
6. Strikingly, sailing all around the world, from Nassau
to Sochi.... seems to cost the same... maybe you should account for running costs better on an AREA BASIS, better than annually..
:-) fair winds, gentle costs
1.actually the costs are broken down by sailing area -- From 2013 and forward all costs are for the Med -- from 11 &12 we were in the Eastern Carib - before that in the Western Carib -- a couple of years before that in Bahamas
and East Coast
of the USA --
2. Dockage -- When we were in the Bahamas
and east coast
of USA we just kept moving to stay out of the hurricane
zone and see the sights - In the Western Carib we made it below the hurricane
zone and the only marina for any length of time was in Cartagena Colombia
because our insurance company insisted on it. It was dropped about 1/2 through our stay but we did not move. In the Eastern Carib we stayed in Crews Inn marina in Trinidad - there were a couple of cheaper alternatives but the admiral could walk to the grocery instead of taking the dink and it was nice -- In the Med we stayed in Port Yasmine in Hammamet Tunisia
- there was another alternative a bit farther south but we did not like the security
there -- We did have to take a marina along the way getting there such as Lagos Portugal
where we put the boat in for inland travel. When we do inland travel we always put the boat into a safe marina. In Turkey
we spent the winter in Kusadasi after and extensive review of marinas
across Turkey - we think we found a real winner and will spend this next winter there. Across Greece
there are some anchorages
that we used but a lot of times we would go into a town with a med mooring
for a small fee -
3. Insurance is for the boat. We do not carry health insurance
and pay out of pocket for our health
and dental care. In a lot of the world health and dental are very affordable. We have had major issues such as admirals hand surgery on both hands - one in Colombia
one in Tunisia
. I had 1/2 my nose replaced in Trinidad due to a growth - in Tunisia I ripped a shoulder tendon and had two screws put in to put it back in place. Not in the data yet but for this year I had my gall bladder removed in Turkey.
Our insurance company does a good job for us getting the coverage for the area we are sailing and making adjustments if we need them. When we went to Montenegro we had 500k liability but they require 1m euros so cost went up. It went back down the following year but back up this year as we needed a rider to go to parts
of the Black Sea.
4. We sail a Jeanneau
DS40 - built in 2001 launched in 2003. It is the only boat we have ever owned. We bought her new and tried to keep her in primo condition - yea she gets a lot of bobbles and bangles - but we think if we are going to keep this lifestyle going we need it. I think if you look at the data for 09 or so you will see a lot of boat expense - we added a 2nd fuel tank
maker and few other things - before that we added ais
and we are still adding stuff - this year put on a 4th solar
panel. Wait until you see the boat expense for this year. We hauled and had the variable pitch
prop pulled and rebuilt, the windlass
pulled and overhauled, normal bottom paint
, a lot of little dinks repaired from 8 years underway, had all the deck saloon
windows pulled and reseated, had to replace chain on what was our primary anchor
chain but replaced by the back up - same as primary - among other things. And we knew it was going to be expensive but if you are going to sail the Black Sea the boat must be as perfect as possible because if you have trouble up here there are no boat parts
or help to get it fixed. We lost
a fuse to our engine
cut off and put in our spare but could not get the spare replace, we lost
our bilge pump
switch and put in a spare but can not replace the spare. Some folks have told us we may be able to find spares in Odessa but who knows. In Russia
there are mega yachts and we keep wonder where they get parts as our agent is trying to get us spare bilge pump
5 - in general we gave up hard alcohol as in the Med it is incredibly expensive. We do drink local wine - wine from the country we are visiting. That is except for Turkey where we got some Raki - no I prefer Raki to Ozo.
6 - we have a fixed income
thus we can only spend so much - the boat comes first and gets taken care of in first class shape. Our health comes second and then everything beyond is discretionary and we adjust accordingly. By the way this year so far we had to take agents in Georgia
and they were not cheap
. That does not include the visa for Russia that we had to have in 24hours as the embassy is in Ankara and we were there to get it but the small cost was a number of days which means we had to stay a long time or leave and come back - ie cost tradeoffs and cheaper for the 24 hours. And we are now setting up trips to Moscow and St Petersburg while leaving the boat in a very secure mega yacht marina in Sochi.
hope this helps.