NTOTD (Nautical term of the day): Focs'l / forecastle

Amgine · 09-12-2006, 10:56

What's the focs'l? Archaic, in warships it was the defensive structure at the bow of vessels. In the merchantment of the 19th century it became the crew accomodations at the bow, usually below the main deck. A "focs'l hand" would be any member of the crew who bunked there, usually also a point of pride as the more macho, salty crew bunked in the focs'l while officers, boys, cook and chips were aft.

In modern sailboats the focs'l is that part of the accomodations under the foredeck. So most vee-berths are in the focs'l. (In my boat, however, the entire focs'l is taken up with the head.)

What do you have in your focs'l?

mudnut · 09-12-2006, 13:24

I don't have a boat yet(still in the planing stage)but I did see a 38' sloop with a spar bath & head in the focs'l.No good when underway but at anchor what a luxury.Mudnut.

BilgeRat · 09-12-2006, 14:54

Like in fo'c's'le deck, up by the head where we keep the anchor windlass and chain locker. Known as the forecastle in the ship building industry.

I've spent a lot of time up there watching the dolphin's race the ship.

Yours aye!

**Pblais** · 09-12-2006, 14:49

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What do you have in your focs'l?

The Saloon mostly, but it can convert into a berth. The foredeck farther forward also covers a sail locker and farther yet a chain locker.

NoTies · 09-12-2006, 14:51

Just had a look in our focs'l and discovered ............. Yes............
Junk and a bit of water

SkiprJohn · 09-12-2006, 16:03

Aloha All,
Forecastle is not an archaic term. Very much used today in Navy ships. On several ships my berth was just aft and below the forecastle. The bulwarks were high and all our ground tackle, windlass was controlled from the forecastle.
Regards,
JohnL

BilgeRat · 09-12-2006, 16:21

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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn

Forecastle is not an archaic term.

Mate,
I believe the word forecastle came about first. It's just the uneducated swabs of the ole days con't speek good englas and it all run down to fo'c's'le.

Yours aye!

SkiprJohn · 09-12-2006, 21:37

Mr. Bilge,

Forecastle is just the correct spelling for fo'c's'le.

aarrgh matey!

J

BilgeRat · 10-12-2006, 13:40

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Originally Posted by SkiprJohn

Mr. Bilge,

Forecastle is just the correct spelling for fo'c's'le.

aarrgh matey!

J

Don't want to start an arguement, Mate. Thar both pronounced differently. One being correct English, the other broken. And that's wer the line is drawn between the Landlubbers and tru Seaman.

Yours aye!

Amgine · 09-12-2006, 23:45

Yes, on the ship I served on it was still called the forecastle under the foredeck. The Archaic part is that it used to refer to the structure on the foredeck, while now it's the part under the foredeck.

What I remember most about the focs'l on our ship is how, just as we cleared shore and started to feel the swell, all the new crew to the vessel who had never been out in it were called up to the focs'l. There we were given long lectures on procedures, where the defense lockers were, etc. And the hydraulics were run, and various other gear which gave off strong odors in operation. And those of us who weren't seasick by this point were given a pat on the back and sent off to work.

I grimly held off for two days before getting mal de mare. The boat had the worst motion, being a 600'+ long rowboat with sponsons and no keel worth mentioning.

SkiprJohn · 10-12-2006, 18:19

Aloha Bilge,
No arguments here. I've never called a fo'c's'le a forecastle and never will. However, when writing about it I always use forecastl. In my seaman's language forecastle is pronounced fo'c's'le as squaresail is pronouced squ'rs'le.
Regards,
JohnL

Island Mike · 11-12-2006, 04:36

At one time in my life I worked on an off shore Scalloper, she was what was referred to as an Eastern Rig, her wheel house was in the stern. The crew slept and ate in the Fo'c's'le; the hull and deck was steel and everytime they would drop the doors or dredge on the deck it made sleeping in the fo'c's'le very difficult.

09-12-2006, 10:56	#1
Amgine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 1,256	NTOTD (Nautical term of the day): Focs'l / forecastle What's the focs'l? Archaic, in warships it was the defensive structure at the bow of vessels. In the merchantment of the 19th century it became the crew accomodations at the bow, usually below the main deck. A "focs'l hand" would be any member of the crew who bunked there, usually also a point of pride as the more macho, salty crew bunked in the focs'l while officers, boys, cook and chips were aft. In modern sailboats the focs'l is that part of the accomodations under the foredeck. So most vee-berths are in the focs'l. (In my boat, however, the entire focs'l is taken up with the head.) What do you have in your focs'l? __________________ Amgine Blog On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog anchored in a coral atoll.

09-12-2006, 14:54	#3
BilgeRat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: W. Seattle Boat: Looking Posts: 49	Actually, that's fo'c's'le Like in fo'c's'le deck, up by the head where we keep the anchor windlass and chain locker. Known as the forecastle in the ship building industry. I've spent a lot of time up there watching the dolphin's race the ship. Yours aye!

09-12-2006, 14:51	#5
NoTies Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vuda Point, Fiji Islands Boat: Whiting 29' extended "Nightcap" Posts: 651	Just had a look in our focs'l and discovered ............. Yes............ Junk and a bit of water __________________ Pete Positively, socially deviant.

09-12-2006, 23:45	#10
Amgine Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 1,256	Forecastle structure Yes, on the ship I served on it was still called the forecastle under the foredeck. The Archaic part is that it used to refer to the structure on the foredeck, while now it's the part under the foredeck. What I remember most about the focs'l on our ship is how, just as we cleared shore and started to feel the swell, all the new crew to the vessel who had never been out in it were called up to the focs'l. There we were given long lectures on procedures, where the defense lockers were, etc. And the hydraulics were run, and various other gear which gave off strong odors in operation. And those of us who weren't seasick by this point were given a pat on the back and sent off to work. I grimly held off for two days before getting mal de mare. The boat had the worst motion, being a 600'+ long rowboat with sponsons and no keel worth mentioning. __________________ Amgine Blog On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog anchored in a coral atoll.

11-12-2006, 04:36	#12
Island Mike Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Boat: Far East Mariner 40 - Tivoli Posts: 521	At one time in my life I worked on an off shore Scalloper, she was what was referred to as an Eastern Rig, her wheel house was in the stern. The crew slept and ate in the Fo'c's'le; the hull and deck was steel and everytime they would drop the doors or dredge on the deck it made sleeping in the fo'c's'le very difficult. __________________ S/V Tivoli Mike & Paula

09-12-2006, 13:24	#2
mudnut Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 664	I don't have a boat yet(still in the planing stage)but I did see a 38' sloop with a spar bath & head in the focs'l.No good when underway but at anchor what a luxury.Mudnut.

09-12-2006, 16:03	#6
SkiprJohn Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii Boat: Cascade, Cutter, 42 - "Casual" Posts: 5,191	Aloha All, Forecastle is not an archaic term. Very much used today in Navy ships. On several ships my berth was just aft and below the forecastle. The bulwarks were high and all our ground tackle, windlass was controlled from the forecastle. Regards, JohnL

09-12-2006, 21:37	#8
SkiprJohn Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii Boat: Cascade, Cutter, 42 - "Casual" Posts: 5,191	Mr. Bilge, Forecastle is just the correct spelling for fo'c's'le. aarrgh matey! J

10-12-2006, 18:19	#11
SkiprJohn Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kea'au, Big Island, Hawaii Boat: Cascade, Cutter, 42 - "Casual" Posts: 5,191	Aloha Bilge, No arguments here. I've never called a fo'c's'le a forecastle and never will. However, when writing about it I always use forecastl. In my seaman's language forecastle is pronounced fo'c's'le as squaresail is pronouced squ'rs'le. Regards, JohnL

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