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Old 09-06-2009, 06:03   #1
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FastCat 445 Sports Cruiser Introduction

African Cats has introduced a Sports cruiser version of the Fastcat 445
for the complete press release see the PDF
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African Cats has introduced a Sports cruiser version of the Fastcat 445
for the complete press release see the PDF


The weight of the FASTCAT 445 SPORTS CRUISER will be 5.800 kilo or 12.800 Lbs and if the optional carbon version is chosen the weight will drop to 5.200 kilo or 11.500 Lbs.

So far none of your boats have been in cooee of their promised weights Gideon...
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Hallo Tonga

Every FastCat has been within its agreed weight per contract ( within 5 % of target )

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Every FastCat has been within its agreed weight per contract ( within 5 % of target )

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Every? You mean both?
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Every FastCat has been within its agreed weight per contract ( within 5 % of target )

Gideon

Also Butterfly that came in at 9400 kgs??????

Or was it 9200 kgs? I prefer to believe the 2 owners rather than the salesman, also on this point.

Can you explain what options are needed to add around 4 tons to the already (by your own definition) well equipped boat?

Gideon, you are hopefully aware of the fact that we are not all total idiots, and that your constant barrage of false claims, might in fact be detrimental to your business?


Gideon, take a truth challenge!
Looking forward to a list of options that weighs in at around 4 tons, or let's be nice, say 3.5 tons.

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I you read well Alan you can read that the Butterfly was within its contractual weight of 6500 kilo + or - 5 % and all personal goods where on board when weighted.
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Hallo Alan

here is the Quote from butterfly and Barnacle regarding the weight of Butterfly.

september 26 2008

Heigh-ho. Soooo, time to put this weight thang to bed once and for all. Now that we know what she weighed yesterday and what that weight did and did not include, we can load her up for our liveaboard life with far more accuracy and peace of mind. In fact, our wish was only to establish her true weight – well, truish – we’re not interested in splitting hairs on how much this warp weighs, that shackle, etc. The facts are that Gideon’s load cell came up with 9475kg; CTC Cranes with 9300kg. Give or take the odd strop not included here or there, these two figures are near enough to be considered realistic.

Of course, this weight includes many extra items we have added - all the optional extras we chose, and those items we’ve specifically asked for. This list is long – too long to be bothered with here, that’s for sure – but here’s the bottom line: Gideon’s contractual weight for the boat (without any extras – and excluding things like the hard-top bimini) was 6500kg; Dick’s estimate is that once we deduct our add-ons, we are within +5% of that – which is more than okay by us.
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Here is the link to the relevant page of Butterflys blog:

2008 September of Butterfly and Barnacle


Given the many months of delays due to poor workmanship etc., if I was in their position, I would want to get out of the clutches of an incompetent boatyard, so that might explain why they didn't pick a fight on the weight claim at that point in time. Anyone who can read even a bit between the lines can plainly see this.

So Gideon, could you please explain how the options on Butterfly come to around 2 tons?

I'm sure that Dick and Karen will be able to confirm the options list.

Let's be lenient and add 5% to the 6500 kgs = 6825 kgs. there is still around 1.8 tons at least that are unaccounted for.

1800 kgs is more than 25% too heavy.

Gideon you persist in making claims that you know are incorrect, and all facts get distorted to suit your marketing claims.

The facts show that the 3 boats sold by you all weigh in at around the 10 ton mark in cruising trim, and the owners have stated this after independent weighings.

In actual fact your boats weigh about the same as a Lagoon or FP with the same room.

To keep on topic for the thread:

How are you going to go from more than 8 tons down to 5.8 tons?

I'm sorry to have to keep harping on about these numbers, but anyone considering one of the boats should do a Google search for Fastcats, and get more than one side of the story, maybe even some facts that are documented.

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False facts or lies about Fastcats?

To avoid a complete rehash of the facts, have a look at this thread:

Butterfly got weighed
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