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Old 29-04-2011, 15:44   #46
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16 45 N x 169 31 W,
717 NM southwest of Honolulu,
about one-third of the way from Hawaii to the Marshall Islands.

Johnston Atoll was used for high altitude nuclear tests in the 1950s and 1960s, and until late in 2000 the atoll was maintained as a storage and disposal site for chemical weapons.
Bang on.

Chuck in the hurricane that went exactly over the island ... wondering where all the biohazardous and radioactive stuff gone.

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The biohazardous stuff was supposed to be incinerated in the furnaces on that atoll. The radioactive stuff is the land fill for the air strip. The Army broke down all the facilities and towed them away about ten years ago...

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Old 30-04-2011, 07:22   #48
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The biohazardous stuff was supposed to be incinerated in the furnaces on that atoll. The radioactive stuff is the land fill for the air strip. The Army broke down all the facilities and towed them away about ten years ago...

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So what happens to the smoke from incinerated biohazardous stuff. US army has some magic furnaces that make no smoke and leave no ashes / residue? And the ashes and residue - were they dump right into ocean or rather left on the fill to let the tropical rains slowly wash it away - to the ocean?

And the radioactive stuff has been used in the land fill and suddenly stopped radiating?

Apparently, the laws of physics stop binding in some circumstances. Like when a government of a big country asks them ;-)

C'mon. If you do believe the stuff on Johnston Atoll is so innocent - why don't you keep it at home?

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... Apparently, the laws of physics stop binding in some circumstances. Like when a government of a big country asks them ;-)

C'mon. If you do believe the stuff on Johnston Atoll is so innocent - why don't you keep it at home?

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They didn't ask for my opinion; in fact, they didn't even tell me they were going to do that.

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Just open the newspaper and read they are doing today, again without asking you ...

Too bad we can't stop them. But then again we are blessed to live in the times when at least one can try to get away from it all.

Let's go cruising, mate. Somewhere far from governments and their Johnston Atolls.

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So what happens to the smoke from incinerated biohazardous stuff. US army has some magic furnaces that make no smoke and leave no ashes / residue?
I can't defend the radioactive disposal methods, but the biohazard material was nerve gas and the like. High-temperature incineration breaks these compounds down into pretty innocuous stuff.
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... the biohazard material was nerve gas and the like. High-temperature incineration breaks these compounds down into pretty innocuous stuff.
Mebbe so. Mebbe no.

Apparently, the Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Destruction System (JACADS) suffered from numerous chemical agent incinerator defects.
“... According to the Army’s own reports, a fire, an explosion, 32 internal releases of a nerve agent, and two nerve gas releases into the atmosphere have resulted in EPA fines of $100,000. The JACADS facility is 450 percent over budget and had over 30 Resource Conservation and Recovery Act non-compliances in 1995 ...”
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An interesting headline from 2002:
“The Army Will Incinerate Nerve Gas Weapons in a Metropolitan Area of Alabama, But Civilians Aren’t to Worry: The Government Will Buy Them Gas Masks”
The Army Will Incinerate Nerve Gas Weapons in a Metropolitan Area of Alabama, But Civilians Aren't to Worry: The Government Will Buy Them Gas Masks
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