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Old 28-02-2016, 20:21   #226
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Re: Whats the Difference Between A Coastal and Blue Water Suitable Vessel

I wonder how my spencer would rate if it were made now under these new rules. Our s42 was launched in 1966
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category A being the most severe - wave heights to 7 meters, wind gusts to 100 km/h. I think we'd all agree that a boat meeting that standard qualifies as a blue water cruiser..
No we don't agree. With my limited experience of offshore sailing I've been two times in weather much more severe..
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Old 28-02-2016, 21:20   #228
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No we don't agree. With my limited experience of offshore sailing I've been two times in weather much more severe..
Teddy Teddy Teddy you have misunderstood. He was pointing out that a boat that meets the 'stated' criteria, which is for the conditions stated, then it would have to be a blue water. It's got nothing to do with whether you have, as I have, ever sailed in weather of those conditions. Capice?
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So what you are saying is the professionals don't relaize they are going out in un-seaworthy boats?

Sorry but quota's have been around long enough that if it was the problem the new generation of boats would have taken care of it. Fisherman have always gone out in bad conditions because they need to put food on the table.
Firstly - I won't respond to the first point other than to say I said nothing of the sort.

NO, what I'm saying, which fisherman will contest too, is that now days they are feeling obligated to go out in weather that they would not have gone out in just twenty years ago. They have restrictions of things like restrictions to how many days in a season they can go out in, so what they are doing now is they will put off going out hoping the weather will change, but when it does't, or it even get's worse, they deliberately head out because they are running out of time based on their season. And given they have crew the pay, vessels to pay etc etc, they feel obligated to go, regardless of the weather.

Where have I got this from? TV shows such as Deadly Seas, Trawlerman and The Catch
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A visit to a graveyard on any fishing village is a mind opener..
Good point
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I don't know much about quota and fishing rules of different countries, but I sure hope they are planned so that they do not force or encourage fishermen to go out when they should not (because of the weather). Current technology makes overfishing easy. That means that with good planning there is less need to lose lives than in the old days when the target was to catch as much fish as you can.
Don't get me wrong, I support quota's. BUT, the pressure large commercial fishing vessels have put on smaller family fishing business has been disasterous. I remember witnessing this in the 80's when Orange Roughy was discovered in Bass Strait, Tasmania and Fishers went crazy almost wiping them out. Quota's had to be introduced. The same thing would happen here with Scollops, Abalonie and Cray Fish, if we didn't have quota's. As Fisherman are human and want to keep going and bring in as much as they can regardless of the end result.

But, from what I've seen happening in the UK and the North Atlantic, (from TV shows yes), the authorities have introduced quota's of tonnage of fish and how many days a month the fisherman can fish. This restriction on days to fish, means they feel obligated to head out regardless of whether the weather is suitable or not. It's also encouraging them to go further from shore in areas they would not previously had headed to in their vessels. Which are not made for the severe weather they are heading out into. In addition, when their loaded up, these little vessels are incredibly unstable and prone to capcizing.
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I may have missed it but I'm a bit surprised that no one (AFAIK) has mentioned the ISO classifications or standards. The ISO (International Standards Organization) has actually published quite a bit of information that is relevant to this discussion.
The ISO standards are written by committees of the manufacturers. The standards are based on what they agree they can easily achieve, not on what is required or meaningful.
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Re: Whats the Difference Between A Coastal and Blue Water Suitable Vessel

I can not answer the question but it got me thinking about my boat.
Built in Australia and "shipped" to China... Blue Water
Sailed around South China,Hong Kong ,Macau.. Coastal Cruiser
Sailed from China back to Aus on her own bottom..Bluewater??
Now only used by me within Queensland waters ..Coastal Cruiser !!
I'm thinking the answer could or is often in the eye of the beholder or the marketing man.
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A blue water boat is built for blue water cruising... look up a Caliber 47LRCas a great example of a Blue Water sailing yacht.
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A blue water boat is built for blue water cruising... look up a Caliber 47LRCas a great example of a Blue Water sailing yacht.
🤔 So, is a boat sailing in green water still suitable to sail in blue water?

Green water boat?😳
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Here are 12 good examples of bluewater boats

Twelve Top Bluewater Cruising Boats - Sail Magazine
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I see blue water boats start from $300k up 👍 Got it 😒
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🤔 So, is a boat sailing in green water still suitable to sail in blue water?

Green water boat?😳
yes especially when it washes over the entire deck
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Don't get me wrong, I support quota's. BUT, the pressure large commercial fishing vessels have put on smaller family fishing business has been disasterous. I remember witnessing this in the 80's when Orange Roughy was discovered in Bass Strait, Tasmania and Fishers went crazy almost wiping them out. Quota's had to be introduced. The same thing would happen here with Scollops, Abalonie and Cray Fish, if we didn't have quota's. As Fisherman are human and want to keep going and bring in as much as they can regardless of the end result.

But, from what I've seen happening in the UK and the North Atlantic, (from TV shows yes), the authorities have introduced quota's of tonnage of fish and how many days a month the fisherman can fish. This restriction on days to fish, means they feel obligated to head out regardless of whether the weather is suitable or not. It's also encouraging them to go further from shore in areas they would not previously had headed to in their vessels. Which are not made for the severe weather they are heading out into. In addition, when their loaded up, these little vessels are incredibly unstable and prone to capcizing.
I too support quota, because of risk of overfishing. And good rules that are not dangerous. In addition to that I can accept also other rules. The most economical solution might be to have just one giant trawler in the whole world. It would sweep the coastline of one country in one day, catching the whole quota of that country in one day. But that is not my ideal world. It might be better to keep also some local fishing communities alive and let people keep the fun of fishing. It's a bit like sailing in small boats - mostly not necessary nowadays, but still great fun and a good way to spend your life.
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The ISO standards are written by committees of the manufacturers. The standards are based on what they agree they can easily achieve, not on what is required or meaningful.
That's interesting. Do you have some examples on how the standards could be improved?
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