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Old 21-02-2016, 21:25   #136
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Re: Whats the Difference Between A Coastal and Blue Water Suitable Vessel

If you leave from Hawaii for San Francisco, sailing north first to get up around the north pacific high, you may find, as we did once, that with a cyclone off Mexico, the gales get sucked south. We had 19 days of gale force or higher on a 24 day passage, having left at the end of Sept. (Which, to give Mark his due, is both late in the season for that voyage, and north of 20, almost the whole way, or all the way, depending on where you left from. It was not the best trip planning, and then, we did not want to lose our hard earned northing, although it would have led to a more comfortable passage to have done so. We had a shortwave receiver. The Coast Guard reported the seas in our area to be 22 ft., and this is only about 7 m. Waves can get lots bigger.

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Old 21-02-2016, 21:39   #137
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If you leave from Hawaii for San Francisco, sailing north first to get up around the north pacific high, you may find, as we did once, that with a cyclone off Mexico, the gales get sucked south. We had 19 days of gale force or higher on a 24 day passage, having left at the end of Sept. (Which, to give Mark his due, is both late in the season for that voyage, and north of 20, almost the whole way, or all the way, depending on where you left from. It was not the best trip planning, and then, we did not want to lose our hard earned northing, although it would have led to a more comfortable passage to have done so. We had a shortwave receiver. The Coast Guard reported the seas in our area to be 22 ft., and this is only about 7 m. Waves can get lots bigger.

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24 days, was that your first boat that you mentioned in a thread a while back? (I am blanking out on the make now..)
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Old 21-02-2016, 22:08   #138
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A) a gale is 35 knots
B) much higher than 20n to 20s
C) Yes you can do it in the PNW or Tasmania. And around Capebof Good Hope. The Horn is a little more tricky and I wouldn't do it.

So instead of just poo-pooing my way just think is there a time in any area that does not have 3 day gales? YES.

So work it.

If there ain't no safe time I don't go there

Re Cheeky: As you know, Phil, I advocate going later and further south of the Azores. Mind you I haven't tested it. Yet

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Mark don't take offence of this. I see the reason you don't want to sail in less than "excellent " conditions its your boat. Now the bene is a good looking boat but I wouldn't want to take it into any freshining weather either with the underwater profile it has. Now I wouldn't intentionally head out into a storm but a freshining gale is not a real issue for me or my spencer. It takes some reasonably good winds to have real fun with her.
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Even the PNW has a time to sail
I don't have the pilot charts so I pulled Jimmy Cornel off the shelf:

Alaska to British Columbia
Best Time June- August
Tropical Storms: None
"Gales are rare in summer"
"The sailing season in Alaska is so brief..."

So with your local knowledge their will be a time better than any other to do the passage. The window may be short. But its the window the prudent sailor will use
And if there is a game it will be shorter and less intense than a winter gale.
June to August Ok well, last august we had the worst summer wind storm on record hurricane force winds for 36 hours
Tropical storms no well we aren't in the tropics so no is correct
One more thing is the fact that we tend to sail/cruise here year round.
We do however do get the reminents of most typhoons after they rebuild crossing and transiting the gulf of Alaska.
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24 days, was that your first boat that you mentioned in a thread a while back? (I am blanking out on the make now..)
Answering for Ann who is napping...

Yes that was in Insatiable I, which was a Standfast 36, IOR one-tonner, designed by Franz Maas and built by Palmer Johnson in Wisconsin.

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water sailing">Blue water sailing can be defined based on distance to land.

A good blue water boat can be defined based on the properties of the boat. You can define "boat" also as a combination of the boat, crew, equipment and supplies.

A good blue water sailor can be defined as a person who masters blue water sailing. Your skills and understanding may improve if you sail through severe storms. But the main rule is that you should avoid those storms. A good blue water sailor may thus have lots of miles behind him/her but less storms than you would expect. Points to MarkJ on this.
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Re: Whats the Difference Between A Coastal and Blue Water Suitable Vessel

I remember an article many years ago about the technicians at HOOD who developed shackles, sails, and offshore equipment and that would sail a sturdy sailboat and a sturdy crew out into BlueWater (may miles offshore) intentionally looking for storms to test their equipment in bad conditions. In fact when they saw a storm approaching that's what they headed for.

They were trying to design Bluewater worthy boats, equipment, etc. for the market and needed to test it in real conditions.
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If you leave from Hawaii for San Francisco, sailing north first to get up around the north pacific high, you may find, as we did once, that with a cyclone off Mexico, the gales get sucked south. We had 19 days of gale force or higher on a 24 day passage, having left at the end of Sept. (Which, to give Mark his due, is both late in the season for that voyage, and north of 20, almost the whole way, or all the way, depending on where you left from. It was not the best trip planning, and then, we did not want to lose our hard earned northing, although it would have led to a more comfortable passage to have done so. We had a shortwave receiver. The Coast Guard reported the seas in our area to be 22 ft., and this is only about 7 m. Waves can get lots bigger.

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I sure remember those days. We had a little HF receiver and we got weather 10 minutes after the hour on the same freq that we got the time ticks to calibrate our watch. They would tell you the lat and long of the highs and lows and their pressures. I'd lay tracing paper over the planning chart and draw my own weather map. What a treat we have these days, not that many people crossing oceans back then compared to these days, thanks for the story.
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Anyway... a Blue Water sailboat is a tough boat... a coastal sailboat is a wuss's boat which should stay in a small lake so you can't spill your cocktails....lol

(just to stir the pot a bit....)

So someone who sails a "Bluewater" boat coastal is a wuss and someone who sails a "coastal" boat Bluewater is tough 👍🏻


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Mark don't take offence of this. I see the reason you don't want to sail in less than "excellent " conditions its your boat. Now the bene is a good looking boat but I wouldn't want to take it into any freshining weather either with the underwater profile it has. Now I wouldn't intentionally head out into a storm but a freshining gale is not a real issue for me or my spencer. It takes some reasonably good winds to have real fun with her.
Of course its offensive to slag someone's boat. But it's allowed on this forum.
So go right ahead and say what misinformed crap you like.
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. We had 19 days of gale force or higher on a 24 day passage, having left at the end of Sept. (Which, to give Mark his due, is both late in the season for that voyage, and north of 20, almost the whole way, or

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Hi Ann,

Then it was NOT the right season. LATE IS LATE!

20 deg n/s is not relevant. See my bit re Alaska. Alaska is not 20deg n/s

Frankly, I doubt 19 days above 34 knots. If it was then you could well take note of my method

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Re: Whats the Difference Between A Coastal and Blue Water Suitable Vessel

I guess if you own one of those French "Hunter's... a Beneteau or Jeneau you have to be brave as hell in one of those floating marshmallows or pick your weather like a sailing instructor teaching 8 year olds how to sail an Optima...
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I guess if you own one of those French "Hunter's... a Beneteau or Jeneau you have to be brave as hell in one of those floating marshmallows or pick your weather like a sailing instructor teaching 8 year olds how to sail an Optima...
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Then it was NOT the right season. LATE IS LATE!

20 deg n/s is not relevant. See my bit re Alaska. Alaska is not 20deg n/s

Frankly, I doubt 19 days above 34 knots. If it was then you could well take note of my method

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Mark your bit about Alaska is coastal cruising in mostly protected waters so you can't or shouldn't extend that info from Jimmy Cornell to mean the offshore route from Hawaii back to either Alaska or BC. While September is on the backside of the season it certainly is not outside of what is considered a good time to sail that leg. September is the ideal month to leave either Alaska or BC to head south to California and points south of that. You get less fog than summer months and better winds.
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I guess if you own one of those French "Hunter's... a Beneteau or Jeneau you have to be brave as hell in one of those floating marshmallows or pick your weather like a sailing instructor teaching 8 year olds how to sail an Optima...

Yes, as I said, insulting peoples boats is fine on this forum.


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