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Old 22-08-2015, 15:09   #46
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Re: So your cruising and come across illegal immigrants/ refuges in distress, what do

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Without questioning any of the points...If you don't have helicopter medevac insurance, and the treatment you want or need is not available locally? Driving fourteen hours to self-evacuate to better care does not seem unreasonable at all. I'd hate to drive 14 hours (on road, off road, car, truck, whatever) even when healthy and well-rested, but if I needed medical care...
You really don't want to know what even an "ambulance" ride will cost, if you have to first bring them to you, and then go back out, making it a 28-hour round trip ride for them. Heck, even in the US you can get a bill for a fast $800 for a municipal ambulance ride less than five miles long.
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Old 22-08-2015, 15:18   #47
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WRT evaluating places...a well known and respected sailor, now deceased, Annapolis grad and ex-naval captain as well, that I met in the late 1980s, foiled an attempted boat-jacking right here in the US, in Georgia, on the ICW. The only reason he had "no" problem foiling it, was situational awareness and years of being trained to deal carefully with suspicious strangers.


Bandits are everywhere. The less "civilization" and urban mass that are around you, the less federales they have to worry about. That's true the world over as well. (Except perhaps for Switzerland, and Singapore, but then again, they're rather unique.)
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However, if it happened yesterday or in 2001, I believe one's attitude should be to evaluate and re-evaluate one's potential cruising grounds. As Dylan said . . . . "The Times They Are A Changin'" Good luck and good sailing.
Absolutely agree. Constant evaluation of current events is vigilance.
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Old 23-08-2015, 20:41   #49
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I have made several trips to Haiti on Mission Trips. When handing out free food and you run out it's not a safe place to be. We always have several trusted interpreters and some with machetes for our protection. Talking about biting the hand that feeds you! I would hate to be faced with this scenario because many Haitian's have little regard for human life.
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I have made several trips to Haiti on Mission Trips. When handing out free food and you run out it's not a safe place to be. We always have several trusted interpreters and some with machetes for our protection. Talking about biting the hand that feeds you! I would hate to be faced with this scenario because many Haitian's have little regard for human life.

CYA is always a part of dealing with dangerous animals. Humans are especially dangerous. Consider the 1%ers that fund genocide for profit in third world countries while blocking abortion laws at home for political reasons. At least the Haitian with the machete might be trying to feed his children.

Making repeated trips to a dangerous country for a charitable cause is the opposite side of the human coin and the kind of nature that I look for in my fellow man.

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In bombed out cites in Germany after WW2, the people (unemployed and hungry) would still form bucket brigades to pick up rubble, clean off the bricks, and stack them so they could be used to rebuild. They co-operated to rebuild their world.


In Haiti? Is it a lie that the Haitians continue to chop down any wood for fuel? Ensuring that the wooded lands they desolated, which turn into mudslides in storms, continue only to desolate them?


Of course that's not all Haitians, many have the sense to leave seeking a better life somewhere less hopeless. And not realizing...if they treat their new homes just like Haiti...the outcome for them will not be very welcoming or successful. (sigh.)


The best way to help Haiti might be to let it starve. Then, void of life, it will regenerate and a new generation with better ideas of rebuilding might take plant there. Or, invade it, anew it, and in Kipling's much-admonished words, "White man's Burden" and place it under totally different rule and standards. Of course, that hasn't worked out so well for Puerto Rico (forever going bankrupt) either.


But simply sending aid, as well-intended as it might be, is exactly the worst thing to do.
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Re: So your cruising and come across illegal immigrants/ refuges in distress, what do

This is a very important and helpful discussion. Not all of them are.
I agree with: Call authorities, standby at a good distance, throw out anything that floats. Play it from there.
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This is a very important and helpful discussion. Not all of them are.
I agree with: Call authorities, standby at a good distance, throw out anything that floats. Play it from there.
I would say this, simply put. No way I would let them board, whatever the available capacity of my boat was. Someone said on this thread that they would tow them to safety, toss them spare lifejackets etc., then cut the lines, I agree with this as well, if feasible.

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Very good discussion. I like the idea to tow a line behind the boat.

I've had the opportunity to live in Africa, Asia, europe, mid east and around the state's. Worked hurricane relief, fought wars, seen draught and tyranny at all levels as many of you have no doubt.

What I have seen in every situation and every continent is if a man or his family is in peril. Like real life and death he will do anything to save them. I've been robbed and shot at while bringing aid which shocked me.

Having seen truly desperate folks as well as criminal elements of be very hesitant to bring these folks on board with my two children and wife on our 29 foot cruiser. I'm not comfortable with there restraint and concern for the well being on my family.

I'm water rescue we come from behind ideally to prevent a panicked person from drowning you. I imagine honestly desperate folks would clamour into my boat. No way can we take fifty folks.

But the idea to tow to shore was fantastic and something I'll discuss with the wife just in case.
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Re: So your cruising and come across illegal immigrants/ refuges in distress, what do

no one boards my boat.
i have radios, and soon also ssb. that should be able to access aid. floatie things are thrown, and waiting off the site, but within watching distance is mandatory, as aid. ladder UP, no one boards.
think of ramifications of picking up your dream team of drug smugglers.
i aint playin'
remember both caribbe and west coast coastline are drug and people smuggling superhighways.
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