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Old 04-11-2009, 12:49   #121
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Guns, knives, bows, even rocks not to mention modern stuff like C4, predator aircraft, neutron bombs and so on, ultimately come down to the message 'don't mess with me or I'll kill you'. We are where we are in the world because enough people said 'Don't mess with me, but lets be reasonable and lay down the weapons'.

Should every single yacht person, indeed, every single person in the world be armed so that they can defend 'their turf'? Perhaps some folk think that's a place to be, strength of arms and all that! I consign you to Darwin, cos if the principle doesn't apply to humans, we are doomed.
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So far the suggestions for navigating in areas where pirate attacks may or have occured are.

Spikes on the side of the boat.
Carry a gun although many types this could be a deck mounted gattling gun.
Don't carry a gun but smile and wear flowers.
smoke pot I think that was one
sail at night and motor during the day.
go in a convoy with or without an armed escort.
Get an air powered pumpkin launcher
Don't publicly announce your travel plan
Act nice
don't act nice
Act crazy

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Razor fence or barbed wire
act sick or post that the boat has a virus on board like H1N1 or bird flu
Only do it in very fast cruiser or ciggarette boat.

I may have missed a few but thought I would try to summarize
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Oh and lets not forget the electric fence transformer on the liferail!

That's ok, when there are no more criminals and "we can all just get along", we won't need guns anymore. Til then, well, don't try to break down my hatch.
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Old 04-11-2009, 15:21   #124
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Nick mentioned that the U.S. is the most restrictive nation in this sense.

Well, if you're not a U.S. citizen it is forbidden by law to import weapons. Of course. People would go ballistic (pun intended) if a bunch of armed foreigners in boats were anchored off Miami.
Not quite. If you are a US citizen and you take your registered & legal gun aboard and sail out of US waters, you are not allowed to bring it back in. The only way around that is to file forms before leaving.

For non-US citizens: you can temporarily import guns. You can download the forms needed from the BATF site. In addition to those forms, you need a hunting license from any state (or an invitation from a gun club or gun show etc. but the hunting license is the easy way). The "protection from wildlife" license from Alaska is the chosen one because it's only $10 (you're not allowed to take any game with that license which is why it's so cheap). It too can be obtained from the Internet.

So, the trouble is the same for both US citizens and non US citizens but they pay $10 too.

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ten-bucks-too?



never mind ..I'm losin' it...
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They need to revive the old "Q" ships and let them catch the pirates in the act and that may thin their ranks.
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Great idea! Unfortunately, that involves common sense thinking so it probably won't even cross their minds.
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Not quite. If you are a US citizen and you take your registered & legal gun aboard and sail out of US waters, you are not allowed to bring it back in. The only way around that is to file forms before leaving.

For non-US citizens: you can temporarily import guns. You can download the forms needed from the BATF site. In addition to those forms, you need a hunting license from any state (or an invitation from a gun club or gun show etc. but the hunting license is the easy way). The "protection from wildlife" license from Alaska is the chosen one because it's only $10 (you're not allowed to take any game with that license which is why it's so cheap). It too can be obtained from the Internet.

So, the trouble is the same for both US citizens and non US citizens but they pay $10 too.

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Considering the restrictions, paperwork and other hassles you're going to encounter on your journey, including places you simply will not be able to go, I'm actually surprised, as a practical matter, that you'd even bother.
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Considering the restrictions, paperwork and other hassles you're going to encounter on your journey, including places you simply will not be able to go, I'm actually surprised, as a practical matter, that you'd even bother.
Hmmm... and which are the places I can't go? I can go everywhere with a gun aboard as long as I declare it. There are however places that I can't go without a gun because the gun is required! (yes we plan to go all the way North and cross the atlantic via Greenland and Iceland to Norway).

I know you can rent a gun in those countries but I paid good money for what I have.

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Hmmm... and which are the places I can't go? I can go everywhere with a gun aboard as long as I declare it. There are however places that I can't go without a gun because the gun is required! (yes we plan to go all the way North and cross the atlantic via Greenland and Iceland to Norway).

I know you can rent a gun in those countries but I paid good money for what I have.

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This is an option I was considering but had not heard a gun is "required". Something you know that I don't?

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I can go everywhere with a gun aboard as long as I declare it....
...and then I think you'll find they'll take it off you over here

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On arrival all arms and ammunition must be declared and surrendered to the Customs Officer for safe keeping. If Customs is satisfied the firearms and ammunition can be safely secured under seal onboard this may be allowed. In cases where no suitable secured sealing arrangements exist, the goods will be held by Customs until departure. You must notify Customs 48 hours in advance of your intended departure from the final port of clearance. If you intend to depart from a port of clearance other than the one you arrived at, it is a good idea to provide at least a week's notice.
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“Firearms Regulations by Country” may be getting a little out of date (was posted in Feb 2005), but may still provide a good starting place for research (includes links to original sources):

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I think we're getting a little squirrely here as things are a bit out of context, possibly?
You can keep arms aboard and go anywhere you want. You may not make LANDFALL or be within territorial waters without following the rules in certain places.
Ask yourself...If your in port, do you need the weapon? In which port-o-call would you feel you needed your weapon, but by rule of law you are not allowed to keep it on board while in port or in their territorial waters? Now ask yourself do I really want to go there? If you DO, then GO. Live by the rules. Accept the consquences of your decision if you are boarded in the night.
There are too many whiney-assed people out there that want to blame others or something else for their own choices in life. Suck it up! Take responsibility for your choices. If you go armed, do your homework AND your paperwork. Be prepared! If you don't, get over the fact that some of us DO! Please!

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I think we're getting a little squirrely here as things are a bit out of context, possibly?
You can keep arms aboard and go anywhere you want. You may not make LANDFALL or be within territorial waters without following the rules in certain places.
Ask yourself...If your in port, do you need the weapon? In which port-o-call would you feel you needed your weapon, but by rule of law you are not allowed to keep it on board while in port or in their territorial waters? Now ask yourself do I really want to go there? If you DO, then GO. Live by the rules. Accept the consquences of your decision if you are boarded in the night.
There are too many whiney-assed people out there that want to blame others or something else for their own choices in life. Suck it up! Take responsibility for your choices. If you go armed, do your homework AND your paperwork. Be prepared! If you don't, get over the fact that some of us DO! Please!

Not out of context at all, unless you're planning a non-stop, unassisted voyage.

You're the one that expressed a fear of encroaching usurpation of your "right" (a sort of international version of the Second Amendment, apparently) to bring guns anywhere.

Now, apparently you're the paragon of virtue, ready to submit to any level of bureaucracy or inconvenience to comply with local laws. Forgive me if I'm sceptical.

Some of us have the intellectual capacity to see something between black and white.
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