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Old 01-11-2009, 17:01   #31
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I wish there was a viable alternate route from Aisa to the Med.. I'm sure if there were, the pirates wouldn't be doing as well as they are.
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Old 01-11-2009, 18:57   #32
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You know…CF is a funny place. Talking about guns is banned because it raises such keen and basic emotions, yet whenever an assault on a yacht happens we tip-toe around the perimeter of armed protection until someone feels uncomfortable enough to complain about a strong opinion and it is quickly closed.

The bottom line is you can choose to be a “sheep” or a “sheep dog” that has the teeth to protect his flock.

Sometimes the sheep dog has to back away because of overwhelming odds, but many times his presence will prevent an opportunistic attack by locals, who only want an easy complacent target.

That article is correct…. Non-professional robbers rarely wish to go against armed resistance, when there are so many easier targets around.

Those who preach that; the cure is worse than the disease and that…. You can only blame yourself for being in that dangerous alley in the first place…. are deluding themselves about the real cruising world.

I also believe that reinforcing that sheepish attitude on public Forums like this will only encourage future attacks on self proclaimed “Passive solution” yachts and I frankly do not wish to be labeled along with you.

Let those out there reading this know, that if you have aggressive designs against a cruising yacht….some of us old sea dogs have teeth!
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Guns onboard is not a banned topic here. It is one of those topics which brings up a lot of emotion which frequently leads to less than mature discussion which often repeatedly violates the rules which then requires that it be closed. Its also one of the topics where it is rare that a new point of view or a new idea is brought forward. It is also one of those topics which must be closely babysat by the moderation team because of its emotional nature.

As was said earlier in this thread, there are many other threads on this topic that are worth viewing. Many have good information, particularly about the firearms laws of different nations.
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Because the Cape gets a bit windy and is a tad longer. The short way, as Gord mentions, has only a 1:24,000 chance of a yacht being picked up per year.
Hi Mark,

Looking at various piracy sites on the net it seems like there have been "incidents" all over that part of the globe, including the Gulf of Aden and even the southern end of the Red Sea. So what is the preferred route? NW from the southern tip of India, head towards Oman/Yemen and down the middle of the GOA, or hug the Yemen coastline?

Even with warships patrolling the Gulf it sounds a bit scary for yachts since the warships are moving at freighter speeds, leaving yachts often alone.
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Hi Mark,

So what is the preferred route? .
I might just duck the question, if thats OK. I just feel the secrecy bit is quite important.
So yes I am activly working on it, and would love a PM from people with clear good ideas or experience. Would like to share ideas with others going through in the next 6 months.

I am wary of talking tactics on the open forum... its a bit of a conundrum because this group of people on CF have a great way of nutting out a problem.... but I don't want to give a computer savvy Somali a break....


If ya know what I mean...
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QUOTE . It is also one of those topics which must be closely babysat by the moderation team because of its emotional nature.

Thank goodness they are watching out/over us for our/their own good.
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I think you actually beLIEve what is in Marcincko's books...or you watch to much of the Military Channel with that constantly out of breath guy talking in a whisper how deadly the PleugerGrunFarben 99 is or how accurate the Blargen-Cargen-Vargen 69 cal is at 10 bazillion yards or the Israeli Oy-Vay-Ko-Mo-Vah's ability to fire the Schwanstucker Round thru
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Guns onboard is not a banned topic here. It is one of those topics which brings up a lot of emotion which frequently leads to less than mature discussion which often repeatedly violates the rules which then requires that it be closed. Its also one of the topics where it is rare that a new point of view or a new idea is brought forward. It is also one of those topics which must be closely babysat by the moderation team because of its emotional nature.

As was said earlier in this thread, there are many other threads on this topic that are worth viewing. Many have good information, particularly about the firearms laws of different nations.
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Pelagic's posturing demonstrates a certain lack of understanding of the nature of the pirates.

Showing teeth seems to be positively to invite the pirates to throw a couple of grenades at a yacht, watch it sink and then go merrily on their way. It's true that the pirates are after money not blood but eliminating a 'dangerous' yacht makes it safer for all of them.

Or is a cruising yacht capable of out running and out gunning and outrunning a 30 kn plus launch with heavy weapons aboard and a mother ship to back them up?

These people are professionals with the money and savvy to pick their targets and make their attacks stick. The amateurs usually get picked up by one navy or another.
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Another point occurs to me: One of the pirates' biggest sources of information must be AIS and I have seen suggestions that yachts should be required to equip themselves with transponders.
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With the previous statistics on murder / rape in America I'll take my chances with the pirates
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Thoes figures in the States will always be somewhat misleading..as 3/4 of it is murders killing other murderers.

But you have a point.
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Galleyslave, my “posturing” is based on professional training against attacks on yachts at sea and is something I feel competent to stand behind.

You will note I qualified my answer as to the type of attack to respond to and in other threads I have gone it to that in detail.

Carrying arms is a personal choice, so I advocate nothing since the individual must assess all issues.

But those who react by criticizing anyone wishing to have some form of individual protection as “Rambo” are really the ones who I see as posturing.

And what I see are probably some very nice people with their heads stuck in the sand, hoping they wont get noticed.

Each to their own.
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Pelagic,
Good to know that you have had professional training. The general consensus of information is that Somalian pirates are clued up and organised. They attack in fast boats, launched from a mother ship, heavily armed with automatic weapons and rocket and grenade launchers.

I guess that we would all like to know what your training suggests you should be doing to discourage people who are capable of blowing the average yacht right out of the water if they are opposed.
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We obviously have a communication problem because I am not talking about well organized professional pirates but protection in general from amateur thugs. and i think so was that article....


At the moment, Somalia and waters nearby is a “no go zone” as far as I am concerned in anything but a military ship, so I think we can agree on that solution for that area.
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Those figures in the States will always be somewhat misleading..as 3/4 of it is murderers are killing other murderers.
Like these ones here?

1178 killed by the various states since 1976

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Last time I looked, murderers are still people so they do count in the figures.
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