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Old 20-07-2018, 13:17   #1
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Missouri death toll on duck boat

https://www.abc17news.com/weather/st...dren/770768279
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Old 20-07-2018, 13:52   #2
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

I saw that and wondered if they weren't wearing vests, or if they couldn't swim.
Took me awhile to understand what a duck boat was, at first I thought a Jon boat you hunted ducks from
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

We've seen duckboats doing their tourist operations here, near Southport, Qld. The tourists get in them while they're in "bus" mode, and I would doubt they would think to put on life vests, even if available, unless instructed to do so. They are really sort of minimal as boats, and imo, should not go out when severe thunderstorm warnings have been put out.

Dreadful about the loss of life, and also for all those who saw it happen and could not help.

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Poor captain - either did not check weather radar before leaving the dock; or headed for the dock instead of lee shore when he/she got caught with pants down in line of thunderstorms.
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Poor captain - either did not check weather radar before leaving the dock; or headed for the dock instead of lee shore when he/she got caught with pants down in line of thunderstorms.

wow.. family of 11 lost 9 members.. pretty sad
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

There was a severe weather/thunderstorm alert in effect before the boat headed out.

The captain/driver went right into the waves. Question to me is if they had run with the wind/waves whether the vehicle (calling it a “boat” is I think being too generous) would have been swamped at the stern.

I have a feeling many of the passengers had seatbelts on, could not swim, or both. From the video the water state did not look like it would be a problem for a competent swimmer.
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

I remember reading reviews of people using these duck boats in Singapore.

Apparently being Amphibious, they have little freeboard and passengers complained about how wet they were.

Obviously no good in any kind of weather
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

Private inspector warned of safety flaw(s) a year ago, specifically water being able to enter the exhaust and drowning the engine, and cutting power to any aux pumps:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ail/815830002/

"He said the boats had also been modified from their original design to allow them to carry more passengers. Paul said the design flaw would have allowed water to run into the exhaust pipe and then into the engine, stalling it and halting the pumps that empty out any water leaking in."
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

I've also heard talk of the hard canopy making it very hard for passengers to exit the craft. Some have described wearing a lifejacket as actually detrimental as once the boat starts sinking (and fast) the buoyancy pins the passengers in up on the ceiling.
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Interesting fact,apparently,Rod Stephens Jr of Sparkman and Stevens was a co designer of the original DUKW.
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I've also heard talk of the hard canopy making it very hard for passengers to exit the craft. Some have described wearing a lifejacket as actually detrimental as once the boat starts sinking (and fast) the buoyancy pins the passengers in up on the ceiling.

We rode one years ago in Stone Mountain park in Ga. and honestly I thought of that and we didn't put on our vests because of it.
I have been through Aircrew training on exiting a downed helicopter in Both Jax and in Korea. In both classes it was stressed that if you pulled the cord on your water wings prior to exiting, your dead. You go straight to the top and cannot swim down against the lift.
Then add non swimmers and I hate to be blunt, but people that shouldn't be in the water to start with and you have a disaster.
Assumption is the DKW went down like a stone
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

With severe thunderstorm warnings posted, the duck shouldn't have gone out. The bosses in the Company should have not allowed the captains to sail. Captains are not created equal, some might have gone out because they want to keep their job, rationalizing with "it won't be too risky", or be seen to be a coward. Now, I guess they will know that well, it can be, has been "too risky." True heroism would have been for the skipper to not go, and of course, the poor bloke's dead now, he paid the ultimate cost for his mistake. Unfortunately, he took many others with him.

Sad, sad, event.
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Re: Missouri death toll on duck boat

They have these stupid things all over including Philly. I stood in the wharf one day some years ago and opined to my Wife “Those things are death traps, I would never go out in one.”

Some years latter one got itself run over by a tug pushing a barge. Several dead. Now this. Stupid idea.
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Terrible shame the "skipper" was unable to beach the boat before things reached a crisis, especially as the boat has wheels and was on a lake.
I asked a friend who does whale and dolphin tours when he cancels due to weather. He said "Only when nobody buys a ticket, if it's a pukefest I bring 'em back early and give them a half off coupon for next time. If I paid attention to small craft warnings and such I'd be out of biz."
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They have these stupid things all over including Philly. I stood in the wharf one day some years ago and opined to my Wife “Those things are death traps, I would never go out in one.”

Some years latter one got itself run over by a tug pushing a barge. Several dead. Now this. Stupid idea.
Wondering if these drivers who are probably just bus drivers in a way even have at least 6 pack licenses ..
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